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Polar Bears Drowning As Globe Warms

An anonymous reader writes "The Times Online is reporting on disturbing findings from the arctic. Polar bears appear to be drowning when they attempt long sea crossings as a result of receding summer ice." From the article: "New evidence from field researchers working for the World Wildlife Fund in Yakutia, on the northeast coast of Russia, has also shown the region's first evidence of cannibalism among bears competing for food supplies ... As the ice pack retreats north in the summer between June and October, the bears must travel between ice floes to continue hunting in areas such as the shallow water of the continental shelf off the Alaskan coast -- one of the most food-rich areas in the Arctic. However, last summer the ice cap receded about 200 miles further north than the average of two decades ago, forcing the bears to undertake far longer voyages between floes. "

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  1. Climate is Cyclical by core+plexus · · Score: 2, Informative
    I say this every time this argument/discussion comes up: the Earth's climate is cyclical, and complex.

    As a geologist, I know that the areas I work in here in southcentral Alaska were covered by an ice sheet 1,000 feet thick just 9,000 years ago, but 65 million or so years ago it was hot and humid, and there were many more active volcaloes than there are now. I suspect that there were few, if any, humans around in an industrial culture 65 million years ago.

    That ice sheet was one of many recent glaciations. Are humans contributing to "global warming'? Perhaps. Is that contribution significant compared to natural process? I am skeptical.

    Finally, in another article I read, (CONSERVATIONISTS FILE LAWSUIT) I have to ask exactly what, other than fund-raising, will this lawsuit remedy?

    Alaska Volcano Getting Stinky, May Erupt

  2. Yes, it might be irreversible... by vistic · · Score: 5, Informative
    I guess you missed this slashdot story: Global Warming Past The Point of No Return

    ""The UK's Independent is running a front page story today on a scientific report claiming that global warming is now unstoppable, after measuring changes in the level of ice in the arctic." From the article: "The greatest fear is that the Arctic has reached a 'tipping point' beyond which nothing can reverse the continual loss of sea ice and with it the massive land glaciers of Greenland, which will raise sea levels dramatically. Satellites monitoring the Arctic have found that the extent of the sea ice this August has reached its lowest monthly point on record, dipping an unprecedented 18.2 per cent below the long-term average."


  3. Polar Bears are special by putko · · Score: 3, Informative

    The polar bears seem incredibly adapated to living on ice -- the article says they live their whole lives on ice. Their natural range is circumpolar (http://www.solcomhouse.com/polarbears.htm ). I know their feet, fur and sense of smell are all optimized for living in ice. I'm sure there are more things.

    It seems that the next time the earth gets warm, for whatever reason, the polar bears are going to die off in droves.

    The same is true for camels: they've got special eyes, feet, a way to store water and energy for long periods, etc. If there is ever a mass greening of the earth, wild camels will have a hard time.

    More general animals, like brown bears ("grizzly" bears) have it differently: their problem is that they are adapted to living in Eurasia and North America, so they come into conflict with humans in nearly all the areas they'd like to be. Here's their range (it would all of North America and Europe, but for humans):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ursus_arctos_di stribution.jpg

    If you look, you'll see brown bears live all over Alaska. That's where that bear-maniac Treadwell got mauled by them. There's now a movie about it, and it uses his amazing bear footage:

    http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10725/

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  4. Churchill, Canada by __aaijsn7246 · · Score: 2, Informative

    No discussion of polar bears is complete without mentioning Churchill, Manitoba, The Polar Bear Capital of The World. I visited at the end of October and had the chance to go out on a "Tundra Buggy" tour. It was quite exotic.. we saw 3 polar bear. There's also a guy who lives out on the tundra for a few months a year in a huge tundra buggy with satellite internet access.. He has a site: http://www.polarbearcam.com/

    The buggies are amazing.. probably about 4-5 feet off the ground, HUGE tires, furnace inside to keep warm.. we ate dinner on board as well, with the bears just outside. Our tour guide was VERY professional and knowledgeable, we were quite impressed. It turned out he had also lived in Africa for many years and given tours there, etc etc..

    Here's some fun facts about polar bear off the top of my head:

    Their skin is actually black to absorb the sunlight (it's amazing how well adapted they are). The fur is really transparent but looks white in the same way a cloud looks white because of all of the water droplets.

    They have suction cups on their paws to keep from slipping on the ice.

    Churchill has had, I believe, only 2 or 3 fatalities in the past 30 years. One was a few weeks before I got there as a drunk wandered out of the town limits.

    They are very careful about bear up there, for obvious reasons. Every night they fire off shotguns to keep the bears away. People living on the outskirts of town always have rifles in their houses just in case - they also put out traps.. basically boards with nails going through them.. to keep the bears away.

    If a bear comes into town they will stun it and carry it away with a helicopter! We actually saw this happening! They move it further north IIRC... but if the bear comes back 2 more times, they put it into the "polar bear jail" which is in town (no tourists allowed sadly). They only water the bear in the jail, and do not feed it, otherwise the bear may view it as a rewarding experience.

    I was surprised how nice everything was up there.. beautifully decorated hotels, at least on the insides. Food is expensive though and their economy is pretty much dependent on the bears, although they do export grain to Europe. The train takes 2 days from Winnipeg and is quite a slow ride, sometimes traveling at only 10 miles per hour. (They run 2 engines just in case one breaks down.)

    I remember lots more about the bears and Churchill if anyone is interested.. just ask!

    Oh - there was far less ice compared to previous years when I was up there. Everyone I asked said they weren't sure if it was global warming or just a temporary cycle. You can check the sea ice information for the Hudson Bay at the Canadian Ice Service site.

  5. Re:How long till the skeptics post? by bbdb · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's more data than that, but the darling of the global warming scare maniacs is the CO2 level claimed to supposedly have been 280-290 ppm in the preindustrial. The problem is - this is bollocks. The "scientists" in question have falsified the data and this single lie has been repeated over and over in the same publications, trying to create impression of many independent original sources, whereas in reality there was just one: http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm "The problem with Siple data (and with other shallow cores) is that the CO2 concentration found in pre-industrial ice from a depth of 68 meters (i.e. above the depth of clathrate formation) was "too high". This ice was deposited in 1890 AD, and the CO2 concentration was 328 ppmv, not about 290 ppmv, as needed by man-made warming hypothesis. The CO2 atmospheric concentration of about 328 ppmv was measured at Mauna Loa, Hawaii as later as in 1973[8], i.e. 83 years after the ice was deposited at Siple. An ad hoc assumption, not supported by any factual evidence[3, 9], solved the problem: the average age of air was arbitrary decreed to be exactly 83 years younger than the ice in which it was trapped. The "corrected" ice data were then smoothly aligned with the Mauna Loa record (Figure 1 B) , and reproduced in countless publications as a famous "Siple curve". Only thirteen years later, in 1993, glaciologists attempted to prove experimentally the "age assumption"[10], but they failed[9]."

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  6. More non scientific clutter by robbhar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Another good example of how the non-scientists at Time can mangle a study to their own views. Anyone care to get the actual study and review it instead? Good clue how they have missed the issues again - read this slowly, "However, last summer the ice cap receded about 200 miles further north than the average of two decades ago, forcing the bears to undertake far longer voyages between floes." When can we get the global warming issue out of the political MSM and back to the scientists?

  7. Re:Not long at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    That's one skewed ass statistic if I ever saw one.

  8. FYI by soundoff · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, the effects of the depletion of the ozone layer and global warming on each other is pretty circular- UVB destroys small phytoplankton in the Antarctic. This contributes to global warming [see HERE], as well as a collapse in the polar and sub-polar oceanic food supply. I also hope you appreciate that global warming helps to slow the repair of the ozone layer by raising the temperature of the stratosphere. Just because you haven't been taught something, it doesn't mean it's wrong. And yes, the UVB is absorbed no matter *where* it's absorbed, but to be honest I'd rather it were absorbed higher up, and not by the micro-organisms that help to keep our climate stable. In any case, the ozone disappearing and reappearing *is* cyclical, but most recent science takes it for granted that CFCs and our activities on earth are seriously affecting that pattern.

  9. Re:Ice Age by alicenextdoor · · Score: 2, Informative
    I would wager a proponent of punctuated equilibrium would say that evolutions necessarily happens in 100 years.

    Even to proponents of punctuated equilibrium, "geologically instantaneous" is not 100 years. Gould and Eldredge, who came up with the concept, say "for small populations speciating away from a central mass in tens or hundreds of thousands of years, will translate in almost every geological circumstance as a punctuation on a bedding plane, not gradual change" Original paper here In world beset by global warming, the bears are not going to have time to evolve floaties.

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  10. Re:How long till the skeptics post? by RedWizzard · · Score: 2, Informative
    While I know that we have core samples from certain times in the past, it has already been show that the temperature and CO2 levels have been much higher in the past.
    That's incorrect. A recent ice core has shown that atmosphere CO2 levels are now 27% higher and methane levels are 130% higher they have been at any other time in the last 650,000 years. Do a search on Google news and you'll find plenty of stories about this data. Here's one for you: http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-na-ice25nov 25,0,5657925.story
  11. Re:...and here come the sceptics by nathanh · · Score: 2, Informative
    Explanations for our planet's warming seem more credible when they can account for the concurrent warming on other planets in our solar system, where there are drastically fewer SUV's

    You have fallen for Anti-Global Warming Myth #81.

    Can the observed changes be explained by natural variability, including changes in solar output?

    Since our entire climate system is fundamentally driven by energy from the sun, it stands to reason that if the sun's energy output were to change, then so would the climate. Since the advent of space-borne measurements in the late 1970s, solar output has indeed been shown to vary. ... There is though, a great deal of uncertainty in estimates of solar irradiance beyond what can be measured by satellites, and still the contribution of direct solar irradiance forcing is small compared to the greenhouse gas component. -- http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming. html

    Wake up to reality. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh.
  12. Re:...and here come the sceptics by nathanh · · Score: 2, Informative
    A major volcanic eruption would cause far more climate disruption than human activity ever has.

    Do you just make this stuff up to justify your wasteful lifestyle?

    INFLUENCE ON THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT:

    Volcanic eruptions can enhance global warming by adding CO2 to the atmosphere. However, a far greater amount of CO2 is contributed to the atmosphere by human activities each year than by volcanic eruptions. Volcanoes contribute about 110 million tons/year, whereas other sources contribute about 10 billion tons/year. The small amount of global warming caused by eruption-generated greenhouse gases is offset by the far greater amount of global cooling caused by eruption-generated particles in the stratosphere (the haze effect). Greenhouse warming of the earth has been particularly evident since 1980. Without the cooling influence of such eruptions as El Chichon (1982) and Mt. Pinatubo (1991), described below, greenhouse warming would have been more pronounced. -- http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_work/cli mate_effects.html

    Notice how I link to an educational site, written by scientists. What possible source of information do you have for your claim that volcanic activity is a greater contributor than mankind? The Rush Limbaugh Fan Club? The SUV Enthusiast Blog? The Oil Funded Think Tank of the Month? Take your head out of the sand.

  13. Re:...and here come the sceptics by nathanh · · Score: 2, Informative

    It may be frightening to you, but that doesn't mean it isn't natural. Am I a right-wing neo-con nut? Maybe. So lets check out what Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution has to say.

    "Most of the studies and debates on potential climate change have focused on the ongoing buildup of industrial greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and a gradual increase in global temperatures. But recent and rapidly advancing evidence demonstrates that Earth's climate repeatedly has shifted dramatically and in time spans as short as a decade."

    The following quote is also from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution website.

    Q. Have humans contributed to the warming?
    A. Yes, but there is debate over how much. Natural variability - such as that arising from changes in the sun's energy input to Earth, volcanic activity, and regional climate phenomena like El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) - does play a role in adjusting the global thermometer. But the observed temperature record cannot be wholly accounted for by natural causes. -- http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/currenttopics/ abruptclimate_15misconceptions.html

    And further down on that same page.

    Q. Is there anything we can do about it?
    A. The major stress on the climate system now is rapidly rising greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere, and a significant portion of that is from human activity. -- http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/currenttopics/ abruptclimate_15misconceptions.html

    Hrm, but wait, your quote makes it seem like abrupt global changes in a few decades are natural. You even explicitly quote the WHOI in apparent support for your statement that the rapid climate change over the past 100 years "doesn't mean it isn't natural". Yet the two quotes I just gave say quite clearly that the recent changes cannot be wholly accounted for by natural causes. How can this be? How can there be two clearly contradictory claims from the same organisation? Could it be... no, certainly it's not possible that you cherry picked a quote to support your self-claimed right-wing neo-con agenda, without realising that the WHOI actually agrees that the current spate of global warming is primarily caused by human activity and that abrupt climate change is significantly affected by global warming?

    It is important to clarify that we are not contemplating a situation of either abrupt cooling or global warming. Rather, abrupt regional cooling and gradual global warming can unfold simultaneously. Indeed, greenhouse warming is a destabilizing factor that makes abrupt climate change more probable.

    But records of past climates--from a variety of sources such as deep-sea sediments and ice-sheet cores--show that the Conveyor has slowed and shut down several times in the past. This shutdown curtailed heat delivery to the North Atlantic and caused substantial cooling throughout the region.

    New ocean-based instruments also offer the potential to reveal the ocean's essential, but poorly understood, role in the hydrological cycle--which establishes global rainfall and snowfall patterns. Global warming affects the hydrological cycle because a warmer atmosphere carries more water. This, in turn, has implications for greenhouse warming, since water vapor itself is the most abundant, and often overlooked, greenhouse gas. -- http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/currenttopics/ climatechange_wef.html

    Oh dear, it seems that's exactly what happened. The WHOI is saying that global warming in combinatio