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Warner Chappell Apology For PearLyrics

RacerZero writes "The recent Slashdot story Music Should Be Heard But Not Understood sparked a good deal of discussion about the overreaction of music industry heavyweights. This week Wired is running an apology from Warner Chappel music for their poor judgement. From the article: 'Facing an upswell of protest, Warner Chappell Music on Friday formally apologized to Walter Ritter over a letter it sent to the software programmer earlier this month targeting a helper application for Apple's iTunes called pearLyrics.'"

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  1. Sad but by ravenspear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Incidents like this illustrate the absurd litigious reactionaryism of the current music industry.

    1. Music Industry hears of application/service/person doing anything new related to music
    2. SUE SUE SUE I SAY!!!!!!!!!
    3. Oh wait, you mean this application/service/person might actually be doing something legal/useful/beneficial to us??? oh ok we're sorry

    1. Re:Sad but by quest(answer)ion · · Score: 5, Interesting

      reactionary it may be, but absurd it is not. Ritter's reaction to this whole 'cease and desist' business is exactly the effect they're looking to have with legalistic strong-arm moves: scaring small developers without the financial resources for a legal fight, preventing them from innovating in directions that will challenge the current--legally delineated--status quo as far as how music is published and distributed.

      IANAL, but lyrics are also copyrighted material, and someone needs to get permission from the owner of that copyright before doing anything with them. personally, i fail to see how reproducing the material with correct attribution (as in a searchable website or database with song lyrics) is problematic, but hey.

      the *real* point here, as others have posted, is not that this litigation was spurious, but that the "record company lawyers" actually successfully managed to make a reasonable call as to whether a bit of software was worth persecuting based not on the legality of its use of copyrighted material, but rather on whether that use of said copyrighted material was damaging. this actually represents a step away from blind legalism toward a more considered stance on what actually constitutes harmful copyright infringement. if this turns out well for pearLyrics, it might actually encourage development of online resources for music-related info.

      so kudos, thanks for not *totally* skewering a small developer.

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  2. does what ?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny


    apology ? from who ? i..i...head explodes.....

  3. New course for MBAs by ThatGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a new idea for an MBA course. It will be called "Don't prosecute your customers when they try to advertise your product". I'm not sure if we'll be able to fit it into a single semester though.

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  4. Where was apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to the article, Apple immediately removed the link to this software. With their teams of lawyers you figure they could have performed a proper review of the claim and seen it was just another case of Goliath bullying around innocent people.

    But lest we forget, Apple can never be wrong, even when your money goes to line the pockets of Bill Gates.

    1. Re:Where was apple? by dr.badass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      According to the article, Apple immediately removed the link to this software. With their teams of lawyers you figure they could have performed a proper review of the claim and seen it was just another case of Goliath bullying around innocent people.

      Why would they bother? The link has virtually no value to Apple, and there is no incentive for them to throw their lawyers at somebody else's problem.

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  5. Say Goodnight to the Bad Guy by fohat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As an artist, I hope this becomes a trend where music companys realize that our music is art and not just small green pieces of paper. I'm glad that this guy got an apology!

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  6. Re:Lyrics of the letter by VJ42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, here: http://www.pearworks.com/pages/pearLyrics.html

    "Based upon our common goal of helping consumers enjoy the song lyrics they want - and our common belief that technology can help to transform the music industry to the benefit of consumers and artists alike - we are committed to working together to provide consumers a convenient, legal way to find accurate song lyrics.

    The goal of Warner/Chappell's prior letter to pearworks was to gain assurance that pearLyrics operated according to those principles. However, in both tone and substance, that letter was an inappropriate manner in which to convey that inquiry. Warner/Chappell apologizes to Walter Ritter and pearworks.

    Our solution will adhere to our shared belief that songwriters must be fairly compensated for their work and that legitimate web sites with accurate lyrics must not be undermined by unlicensed web sites.

    We look forward to working together, and to helping to advance the evolution of the music industry cooperatively for the benefit of consumers and artists alike."

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  7. hendrix by jollyroger1210 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean Hendrix stops kissing guys?

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  8. Killing the Golden Goose by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    otherwise known as the tradgedy of the commons, or

    "First, We kill all the lawyers"

    the music industry has gotten so paranoid that free advertising is seen as a mortal threat.

    a friend of mine who is in the business told me recently:

    Oh, I love these "the big record companies are Satan" kind of posts.

    All my friends at big record companies would vastly prefer this to be the case as opposed to the reality:

    the big record companies don't have a clue and are scared they won't exist in ten years.

    that last bit is interesting:

    and are scared they won't exist in ten years.

    Of course, the paranoia doesn't help, and still leaves us with the question of what would be a realistic business plan they could follow.

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    1. Re:Killing the Golden Goose by aywwts4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A wonderful point, I beilive from their actions thus far the body of evidence supports this claim. Television is trying it's hardest to pretend they have a clue, and in the end, I think it's going to work for them. (*thankfully Tivo gave them a kick in the arse) But the music industry as it exists today is pretty much on the fast track to obscurity. From how well they have embraced downloads, free music samples as advertisement, itunes, digital content and freedom, online advertisement, online music videos, lyrics, smaller albums, the threat of self publishing and promotion, the larger 'indie' film soundtracks, basicly they made just about every move in the wrong direction reliably. Oh well, some small labels that get it will prevail, rise from obscurity, and they will promptly be bought by the existing large companies because its not like they dont have income coming in from other sources, and the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation will return to the status quo.

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    2. Re:Killing the Golden Goose by Tsiangkun · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The record companies followed the true American dream of quick profits at the expense of quality and longevity.
      The artists they promote are the musical equivalent of rubber dog shit, fake vomit and whoopie cushions.
      Good for a few moments of entertainment, but not really worth the money it costs.
      It's obvious the Artist of the day is just a new texture of vomit or a new scent of shit.
      That's why the industry burns through them so quick, they are disposable products to the execs.

      Given the mass bombardment of the crap on the airwaves, it's no suprise people don't buy CDs at
      the rate they used to. I'm sick of the crap the first week a new single comes out. Luckily that
      same single will still be on the playlist 3 years from now. The radio no longer entices me to get
      to the record store to buy the CD I want, it reminds me of why I haven't been to the record store since
      the 90s.

      Anyways, I don't know anyone who blows a hard earned paycheck on adding to their rubber vomit collection on a frequent basis.

      A realistic business plan ?
      1) Leave the faith based community. A lot of their statistics assume people want to own this crap.
            That in itself requires a greater leap of faith for me than the flying spaghetti monster.

      2)Join the real world. The music that will be worth promoting is on mix tapes being distributed underground, small clubs, and lately in peoples homes. Come up with a way to capture the home recording artist without taking advantage of them. The artist already figured out they don't need the record companies. $0.03 a sale from the industry execs for a million album sales at $20 an alubum is the same amount of profit as Ten thousand sales of CDs direct to the consumer when sold for $5 a disc.

      3) Profit less. We know how much a CD cost, we know how much color ink costs, we know how much the studio time costs.
            $18 for a CD is outrageous. This price is only supported because of the monopoly they have over the distribution channels.

  9. Don't count them out yet ... by khasim · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the 2nd letter that was sent:
    Our solution will adhere to our shared belief that songwriters must be fairly compensated for their work and that legitimate web sites with accurate lyrics must not be undermined by unlicensed web sites.

    Emphasis added.

    If there is money to be made by "selling" access to lyrics, I think they'll try to get all other sites ruled as "illegal" because they are "unlicensed".

    I think they're still focused on getting every last cent they can from the public, in any fashion, for the music / lyrics / art / whatever.
  10. Yeah, they're sorry by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry they got caught. Sorry people reacted the way they did.

    What makes me think that if no-one had noticed, they'd have taken this thing right through to the bitter end, even if it meant ruining the poor guy?

  11. Music Industry Apologizes? by TheNoxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    And Bill Gates got Person of the Year from Time? Great, now the apocalypse really is on its way. Dammit.

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  12. One of the sad things... by SmoothTom · · Score: 4, Insightful
    One of the sad things about this whole incident is that the music company seems to not even have tried to ascertain what the application was doing - it is merely a very focused search engine that makes it easier to find lyrics and attach them to purchased music.

    Another sad thing is the chilling effect on further development of anything associated with the music industry and music lovers in general. As was said in the article:

    One of Ritter's recent brainstorms -- an application that queries lyrics data online to help music fans choose tracks based on themes, like "love" or "breakup" -- may now remain only an idea, he says.
    A search feature like that could actually HELP the music industry (as well as listeners) by leading potential customers to new 'must have' songs for their collections.

    The short-sighted, overly litigatious folks in the music industry are the ones causing the majority of the problems for their industry. The world has changed over the last century, and they need to look ahead rather than behind in shaping their business.

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  13. translation by Ahaldra · · Score: 3, Insightful
    [text text text] we are committed to working together to provide consumers a convenient, legal way to find accurate song lyrics.

    The goal of Warner/Chappell's prior letter to pearworks was to gain assurance that pearLyrics operated according to those principles[text text text]

    to me that reads:
    [fluff fluff fluff]Your program is illegal, next time we will criminalize you before we slap you with lawyer letters, so we are in a better position marketing the incident in our favour [fluff fluff fluff]

    Please tell me I'm wrong.

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  14. Don't be so kind to Warner/Chappell by surfingmarmot · · Score: 5, Informative

    RTFL from the EFF. It wasn't the volume of opinion or all your voices or a realization that pearLyrics might be beneficial to them or a conscience--it was the potential liability for damages from misrepresenting a non-infringement to the developer's ISP as an infringement that caught their eye. They would very likely have lost and paid out money not even adding the insult of losing in court and having that all over the web. They have no conscience--this was simply fear and greed in action. They had the legal tables turned on them, saw a potential loss staring them in the face, and gave up--defeat is not an indication of remorse or conscience--it is just defeat, no more, no less.

  15. Re:Lyrics of the letter by Not+The+Real+Me · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Obviously, you fail to understand the relationship of Warner-Chappell and the songwriters that they represent. Warner-Chappell is in the business of making sure that the songwriters that they represent are fairly and justly compensated for their works. It is the job of Warner-Chappell to ensure that the songwriters that they represent are not taken advantage of or denied fair compensation.

    As long as pearLyrics adheres to the spirit of informing listeners to what the songwriters have written, I am sure that the songwriters that Warner-Chappell represent have no problems with what pearLyrics is doing. It is when an entity tries to profit at the expense of the songwriters in question that Warner-Chappell has to step in and flex its muscles.

    Warner-Chappell's lawyers probably overreacted when it first saw what Walter Ritter had done. Odds are, some songwriters that Warner-Chappell represent told them to lighten up and back off.

  16. The point of copyright is to encourage innovation by bstarrfield · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The current distortion of the copyright system (endless extensions to copyright, multinational corporations going after individuals) is beginning to defeat the entire frakkin' point of having copyright in the first place: the encouragement of ideas to advance literature, music, science, and technology.

    From the Wired article:

    One of Ritter's recent brainstorms -- an application that queries lyrics data online to help music fans choose tracks based on themes, like "love" or "breakup" -- may now remain only an idea, he says.

    An apology from Warner Chapell (dear God how many components of the Time Warner omni-media complex exist?) doesn't eliminate the reality that they would rather use copyright to ensure that technology develops only the way they want it to, extending their cartel into the far future. They've already won on the legal front - copyright extensions far past the death of the author - now they blatantly want to control technology through legal terror.

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  17. Comply? by moxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have to say that it makes me queasy watching people who receive cease and desist letters just comply with them without puting up a fight; even if it is only until "a situation gets clarified." I am really mainly referring to cases where it is obvious that industry is trying to stifle free speech, or lock consumers into non open source alternatives - and especially where (like with nost of the RIAA lawsuits) they are trying to use their size and familiarity with the legal system (and staff of corporate lawyers) to try to simply intimidate citizens out of even attempting to fight for their rights.

    Warner apologized because they "feared protest." Yet the developer still seems to be too intmidated to put his app back online at this stage.

    Maybe that's not the case, I don't know - I have no idea what his personal situation is, and I am not tyring to suggest that he is spineless by complying with their order, maybe he just can't deal - I don't know and I do certain respect someone's right to respond to these things in whatever way makes sense for them personally...

      - but I do certainly hope that most developers, artists, free thinkers, and everyone else who uses the web and forms of digital media/media creation and distribution tools to express themselves in any way shape or form would fight this sort of abuse; I know I would - and I wouldn't comply with shit just after receiving a letter.

    If more people don't start standing up for their rights we're all going to get walked on, and there are plenty of bastards lining up to do it.