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ISPs Race to Create Two-Tiered Internet

An anonymous reader writes "The ISP race toward a two-tiered Internet is picking up speed. This article from Michael Geist points to a wide range of examples involving packet preferencing, content blocking, traffic shaping, and public musings about premium charges for faster content downloads. ISPs are now reducing access to peer-to-peer applications, blocking Skype, and, scariest of all, lobbying Congress to let them do it."

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  1. Then we need to create the 3rd tier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Tunnel exactly everything through HTTP. What will the ISP's then regulate, control or block?

    E-gads it's really simple. As long as they provide a medium we can use it. Blockade, veto and blacklist their tactics by subterfuge, really.

  2. Re:Two word solution! by dada21 · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a complete load of bollocks.

    You're referencing the rest of your comment, right?

    In the PC world, there is no regulations on the cost, quality or performance of PCs. We have hundreds of companies selling products -- big boys like Dell and HP, small guys like Ram's PC Shop. Guess what? Prices have fallen even against inflation.

    In the automotive world, we have heavy regulations -- steel tariffs, union requirements and other government mandates. Car prices have risen, faster than inflation.

    In the soda world, we have almost no regulations (except for some USDA/FDA ones). Soda prices have fallen against inflation, and generic versions taste as good as the real ones in some occasions. I can buy a 2 liter of diet cola for US$0.49 versus US$0.99 a few years ago.

    In the medicine world, we have excessive regulations, and prices have climbed beyond inflation.

    In the clothing world, we have few regulations (some tariffs on cotton and other materials). I can buy a nice, quality hoodie for US$10 at H&M. A few years back they were over US$50 at the mall.

    Tell me again how regulations help and anarchy hurts?

  3. Re:Two word solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I still prefer Speakeasy, but they've been cut off in my market -- by SBC and Comcast that lobbied my local government and state government. REGULATION killed off Speakeasy in my area -- deregulation gave me years of amazing performance and price.

    Huh? It was regulation that mandated that Speakeasy be allowed to sell services using wires they didn't even own. De-regulation is what allowed SBC to quit letting Speakeasy offer DSL over those wires.

  4. Re:Two Tier Highways by velkro · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, we have that in place in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Highway 407 charges per km for usage, and takes you the same place the 'free' highways take you. They just sell it as 'faster' (even though the speedlimit is the same) as it's suppose to be less congested.

    The government built it, and then sold it to a private company to run. They make millions off it.

  5. Re:Circumventing ISP filtering by ihavenospine · · Score: 2, Informative

    How do the ISP's block or attenuate traffic speeds for certain services?
    with devices like this: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6151/index.h tml

  6. Re:Coral mirror link by Z0mb1eman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe because it DOESN'T WORK?

    The firewall here stops it, and I'm sure a good percentage of readers are in the same situation. So feel free to post them in the comments, but quit whining that they should replace the links in the article summary. They shouldn't.

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  7. Re:Define the "Internet" and then sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Port 80 sounds like a good choice.

    Try port 443. ISPs may send your outgoing port 80 to a transparent proxy, and such a proxy could simply drop traffic it doesn't understand, crippling port tunneling without affecting web surfing. Typical port 443 traffic is already encrypted, so if they block any of it they risk all their users complaining.

    You're right in putting the legal solutions ahead of the technical solutions for this one, though. If someone is selling lemons their customers should be talking to a lawyer, not a mechanic.

  8. It's already happening in Canada by 8127972 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Rogers High Speed Internet (http://www.rogers.com/ is already doing the following:

    - Throttling back Bittorrent speed to the point that it as well as some other P2P services are unusable (http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15033490). As a side effect, it's affected iTunes (http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14747626) and XBox Live (http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15038493) usage.

    - Killing off their Newsgroup servers as of the 15th of this month (http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14769820)

    - Creating and enforcing bandwidth limits(http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1448 8371) although they do so selectively.

    And all of this without letting their users know up front. Lovely. This is what you Americans have to look forward to.

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  9. Re:Two word solution! by dada21 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm not a rich man -- rich is measured in dollars of equity and savings. I feel I'm a wealthy man -- wealth is measured in free time and long term ability to earn and spend. I may have less "on the books" than the guy I used to be, but I have way more security in my future as well as the time I can spend doing thing I like to do.

    As for wind -- I spent almost US$5000 on security my trailer to the ground with a system that is more stable than most 60 year old houses. Also, my trailer has one of the highest R-ratings, so my heating bill is over 70% lower than my old house. Also, the view that trailers are unsafe more a myth than a reality, given that my insurance costs are also way lower than home living.

    You trust your beliefs, and I'll trust mine.

  10. Re:Yay!! by clambake · · Score: 4, Informative

    look forward to a few years from now when Japan and other countries in Asia will have cheap, and abundant bandwith (at least 100Mb/s, probably wireless to boot) and I'll still have a 1.5Mb/s DSL line and be paying MORE for it. Yeah, that'll be great.

    Sooo, you are saying, in a few years, you think places like Japan will have LOWER internet speeds than it does now? I had 112 Mbit fiber to my home when I was in Tokyo LAST year... Of course, if cost an ungodly $40 a month and installation was nearly $100 (with only a measly 80% "special price" reduction, I had to pay close to $20! The horrors!) ;)

  11. Re:Two word solution! by Comboman · · Score: 5, Informative
    Telus bought clearnet, Rogers bought Fido. Do you think they bought those cell carriers to compete, or to increase margins?

    I don't know about Fido & Rogers, but Telus was a mostly western company and Clearnet mostly eastern. After the merge, they had solid national coverage. It seems more like a fast and cheap way for Telus to expand into eastern Canada rather than getting rid of a rival.

    The barrier to entry for the cell market is very high now. We probably won't see a new cell providor in Canada for a long time now, and rates will stay where they are.

    Is that why Virgin Mobile just started up this year? With lower rates than everyone else?

    The thing that really stops major competition in the cellphone world is not cost-of-entry for new providers, it's things like service-provider locks on phones and non-transferable phone numbers. I doesn't matter how many providers there are if you can't easily switch from one to the other.

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  12. Re:Let me guess... by ScouseMouse · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually under common carrier legislation (A very good US innovation BTW), the companies *are* bound to provide channels for whatever I damn well decide to send over the internet.

    of course if the content is illegal (Copied songs, Terrorist communications, child porn, ect) I may end up culpable to other people. (FBI, CIA, The Milk marketing board)

    In return for this they get immunity from prosecution for stuff that goes over their networks.

    Personally i think if they want to start start blocking or modify IP traffic, they should be prepared to take the responsibility for making sure the traffic isnt illegal as well.

    The only other country that does this sort of thing is China, and i am no happier about my internet traffic being blocked by the Capitalist corparations than by the Communist authorities.

    However this is the US. They can probably buy their way out of these requirements.

  13. Re:I think it's fantastic in a way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    ISPs are not common carriers.

  14. 1gigabit/sec FTTH in Tokyo already today by takochan · · Score: 2, Informative

    The future is already here..

    NTT already sells 1gigabit/sec (thats not a typo!) fiber to the home
    service in Japan. It is available all over Tokyo, and most other major cities in Japan as well I think..

    It costs around $50/month, unlimited usage. You can even stream stereo video/tv on it from home servers to friends places and it works just beautifully.