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Best System for Learning a Foreign Language?

amrust asks: "I've set a New Year's Resolution for myself. Starting next year, I want to teach myself Spanish. However, looking in local bookstores and online, there are so many different programs and systems to choose from, that I can't decide which method is best. I'd like to learn the Spanish language itself, not just a few choice phrases and words, for traveling. I have a lot of patience for serious in-depth study, at home. I would prefer an easy-to-learn (but comprehensive) system that includes audio CDs, as well as textbook material, to follow along with. Which system can you recommend for someone just starting out, assuming they currently speak English, and have never previously taken a foreign language course?"

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  1. Classes by Gulthek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can't learn a foreign language from a book, especially your first foreign language!

    Look up your local community college and enroll in a spanish class. Failing that look for a tutor or group learning sessions. They should be pretty easy to find as Spanish is widely taught.

    1. Re:Classes by mmaddox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The BEST way? Easy:

      Go somewhere Spanish is spoken. Live without English for some time, and you'll quickly pick up the basics as a matter of survival. This is the essence of the exchange programs--immersion. Immersion is the best way to learn a language, bar none.

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    2. Re:Classes by Otter · · Score: 3, Funny
      There is also the spanish equivalent to /. over at barrapunto.

      Hmmm...

      Quien modera? (Puntos:-1, Fuera de Tema) por pobrecito hablador el Jueves, 22 de Diciembre 2005, a las 15:29h (n664129)

      Quien se ha quedado moderando? Para el caso mejor que cerreis la página hasta despues de las fiestas. Devolved a Richelieu al psiquiatrico, que despues se transforma en Menguele, etc.

      I'm not sure learning Spanish from them is any better an idea than trying to learn English here...
    3. Re:Classes by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
      (Wow, that site is as addictive as this one is...)

      I also like the debates between the advocates of "Diseño Inteligente" and "religion del monstruo de espaguetis".

    4. Re:Classes by mjpaci · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been with my German woman for 10 years and my German still sucks. I never take a deep enough breath for some of the words and I wind up wheezing through a short phrase...

      I learned passable Italian by taking a 4 week class and travelling in Italy for another 10 weeks. Northern Italians though my accent was southern and southern Italians thought my accent was northern. They were all quite suprised when I told them I was American -- they thought that if I were NOT Italian, I was Armenian.

        mike

    5. Re:Classes by drsquare · · Score: 4, Funny

      The BEST way? Easy:

      Yeah, what could be easier than quitting your job, selling your house, abandoning your family and going to live abroad in a Spanish-speaking country?

    6. Re:Classes by Grab · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Erm, possibly learning the basics at home, then going on vacation to that country for 2 weeks armed with a really good English-to-whatever dictionary?

      I know that when I go to another country, as a minimum I'll always pick up a decent phrasebook at the airport and learn some basics. That way I've got a chance of at least saying "please/thank you/excuse me/yes/no" and working out how much checkout assistants are asking for, without looking like a complete tourist tosser. (And in Greece, being able to decipher the shop signs - I can tell you that you'll learn the letters for "TAVERNA" really damn quickly, cos there's some incentive there! ;-) And that's just on a basic holiday, without knowing any of the language before and no real intention to do serious language-learning.

      Grab.

  2. Learining a Foreign Language? by FFFish · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dude, it looks lik youve alraedy Learined a Foreign Language.

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  3. Pimsleur by Smidge204 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have had some experience with Pimsleur language learning materials (Japanese though). I found the material started out pretty easy and got more difficult in later lessons, but was not unmanagable.

    It's also a tad expensive, but if you are serious about learning then combining this with other sources reading websites or other publications in the desired language, etc) would probably be a great start.

    (I personally wouldn't pay that much for it, though.)
    =Smidge=

    1. Re:Pimsleur by kherr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am currently learning Spanish using Pimsleur and it's very effective. Half an hour of audio work per day, and the retention of what you learn is very high. Successive lessons bring up material from earlier lessons, providing a rather organic conversational approach to the language.

      I only had two weeks to learn Spanish, so I went with the audio-only approach. There's a comprehensive entry at Kuro5hin on how to learn a language that covers other learning methods and technologies, providing a good overview of what options there are.

  4. My advice by BaudKarma · · Score: 3, Funny

    Get yourself a totally hot Hispanic girlfriend who doesn't speak a word of English.

    Well, that's what *I'd* do.

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  5. That's easy! by Bob_Robertson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A lover who only speaks the language you want to learn. Don't learn, don't get laid.

    Talk about motivation! Nothing else can come close.

    Bob-

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  6. Suggestion: Define your target listeners by durandal61 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most spanish teaching CDs that I have heard teach Spanish from Spain, español. If you plan on travelling a lot in Latin America, bear in mind that not only will you be a gringo with an accent, you will be a gringo with a very silly accent.

    Around here, a Spanish accent is generally heard from two sources: spaniards and people telling Gallego jokes, which would roughly correspond to Irish jokes in English.

    Personally I find that Latin American spanish, castellano, is more neutral, if you pick the right national accent. Peruvians, for example, have a particularly neutral and well-pronounced one, while Chilean Spanish is practically incomprehensible. As a native Spanish speaker born in Perú, it took me several years in Chile before I could understand over 90% of what was said to me. Frankly, I don't expect you to come across a Chilean "Aprenda Español" package anytime soon, and personally, I think that's a very good thing! :-)

    p.

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    My motorbike travels in Chile.
  7. Easy way to learn a language by shdowhawk · · Score: 3, Informative
    I'm currently working on Japanese as my 4th langauge. I speak Hungarian and French fluently (obviously I speak english too). This was a trick taught to me by a linguist I'd met. The best way to START learning a language is actually with 2 books. A travelers dictionary, and an actual english-spanish dictionary. In the first few pages of the travelers dictionary you will a BUNCH of very important phrase starters. For example: "Where is _____." "What is ___ in english." "How much is ____".

    A Ton of phrases can be created with this simple intro. It will also teach you the basic grammer ideas in the travelers dictionary (and you can always look up sentances later in the books as guidelines). After that... you can walk around on the streets, look up one single word in the translation dictionary like... post-office... and you can already as a bunch of questions relating to a post-office (like where it is!)

    After that comes the hardest part of learning a language. Vocabulary. This is what kills most people. My honest best suggestion to you is to buy post-it notes, and stick them all over your house with the english / spanish translation. Literally everywhere. Even on the milk jug inside your fridge. While it is embarrasing, being exposed to all those words will help you learn them MUCH faster then just staring at note cards or words on a screen. With a good computer program (hopefully someone will suggest a good one) you can learn many other vocab words WHILE being exposed to all the common things inside the house that have post-its on it (shoes, tv, books, computer, paper, house, door... lots of things to put all over your house that can be useful in daily conversation).

    Good luck with your language learning resolution!

  8. Pimsleur Language Method by Paul+Burney · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know you're looking for something comprehensive, but you may want to consider learning conversation using the Pimsleur series. It's basically an audio only method of learning language which works great on my hour-long commute each morning and evening.

    Wikipedia has more information here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimsleur_language_lea rning_system

    I find that as you learn more and more, you subconsciously start to learn grammar. For example, I'm currently learning German, and though I can't tell you the rule for where to put time and place in a sentence, I know which one "sounds right."

    I rent them using my Recorded Books Unlimited subscription, but you might be able to find them at your local library.

    (I personally speak Spanish and English fluently. I used the Pimsleur series to pick up quite a bit of Italian, French and German).

    Hope that helps.

    -Paul

    P.S. The way I personally became fluent in Spanish was to grow up in Southern California to learn the accent, take French in middle school to learn some basic non-English grammar, take a freshman Spanish class in college, meet and marry a wonderful woman from Guatemala, then practice for 11 years.

    The above may or may not work in your situation.

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  9. espacio: la frontera final by mkcmkc · · Score: 2
    it's very difficult to learn a language in a vacuum
    Think of it as the ultimate "learn quick or die" environment...
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  10. Re:Foreign language?? Easy??? by Sangbin · · Score: 2, Informative

    The horrible memories of having to learn English over the past 8 years overwhelmed me and I went berserk.
    The following sentence: "I would prefer an easy-to-learn (but comprehensive) system" hit me on the personal level, because at the moment it sounded like you were completely undermining the difficulty of learning a language and trivializing all my effort to learn English.
    Now that I'm calm, I understand that what I just said is completely ridiculous and irrational, but that's how I felt at the moment. I should've been more careful. I apologize for my harsh reactions that was uncalled for.

    I guess what I want to say at this point is that learning a language under pressure can be very harsh: harsh enough to make you feel victimized whenever someone says anything about it.

    Good luck with learning Spanish. I hope your experience is not as agonizing as mine.