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More CA Games Bill Reactions

GamePolitics is reporting on more reactions to the injunction of the CA games bill. From the article: "This is just the first step in what is certain to be a lengthy legal proceeding. Once the state is able to present evidence in the case, the courts will have the opportunity to understand why the governor and Legislature believe the state has a compelling interest in protecting children from potential harm from exposure to extremely violent video games." The injunction just happened yesterday, so there are still a lot of fresh emotions here. More details on the stoppage at the BBC.

20 comments

  1. Anti-violent games, ey? by mister_llah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's a thought, instead of blaming the companies that make legitemate software, maybe we should blame the vendors who sell it inappropriately, or even... I don't know... the PARENTS?

    This is like banning cars because people get into accidents, or banning sitting because people fall out of their chairs. ... and this, my friends, is why I am an occasional misanthrope.

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    1. Re:Anti-violent games, ey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      well, we already ban guns because of violent crime, not criminals. We blame McDonalds and Marlboro for obesity and lung cancer. Developers of file sharing applications are being arrested and/or sued for piracy. Why should game software be treated any differently?

      *barf*!

  2. Bans! by mister_llah · · Score: 1

    We ban guns that aren't reasonable to be used for sport. Chances are you won't go deer hunting with an AK-47... we ban them because their use is almost implied in their title... *assault* rifles...

    Stupid people blame McDonalds for obesity... but they eat there so often, whose fault is it? If you ate burgers all the time at home, you'd get just as fat there.

    Marlboro, hell, there is a warning on the box that could only be more obvious if they said "If you smoke this, you will die"... ...

    The fact people smoke knowing it is bad for them... should pretty much imply a waiver of a right to sue.

    Eating anything high in fat every day will make you fat. People can control what they eat. If they can't, they should seek counseling, but suing a resturaunt for serving them? People who do this should waive their right to BREATHE.

    I got nothing on the ban against assault rifles. I rather agree with it.

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    1. Re:Bans! by Chmcginn · · Score: 1
      We ban guns that aren't reasonable to be used for sport.
      They're not really banned, there's just a lot of limits & regulations on them. But more importantly... since when does sport enter into the 2nd amendment?
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    2. Re:Bans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In San Francisco county and city, all possession of handguns of any sort is illegal now. All citizens of registered firearms of this type have less than 90 days to surrender them to authorities.

      All sales and transfer and manufacture of *any* firearm is illegal within the city and county of San Francisco.

      We're not talking the useless Assault weapon ban. We're talking one hundred percent violation of a concept so simple even Jack Thompson can understand: "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

  3. Oblig. Simpsons by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Funny

    Edna: Seymour, you have to think of the children's future.
    Seymour: Oh, Edna. We all know that these children HAVE no future.
    [Everyone stops and stares at Seymour.]
    Seymour: Prove me wrong children. Prove me wrong.

  4. Okay so how does this relate... by mister_llah · · Score: 1

    As relating to bans and sue happy Americans...

    Video games are entertainment, they're not real, there is no clear link between the games and violence enacted in the really real world...

    Children should not be purchasing these games, like children should not be purchasing cigarettes... vendors who sell games illegally... should pay fines similar to vendors who sell cigarettes illegally. This makes sense. ... and games aren't even a threat to our lives... like obesity, cancer, or criminal violence using assault rifles...

    It's ricockulous.

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  5. C'mon people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't blame me when Eric jumps off the terrace;
    You should have been watching him.
    Apparently, you ain't parents.

  6. Question by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech So, this is California trying to pass a law restricting freedom of speech. A state. Why is it now allowed under the first amendment?

    1. Re:Question by metternich · · Score: 1

      A number of reasons:

      Article IV Section 4:
      The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.

      This has been interepted is requiring the states to honor certain provisions of the Bill of Rights.

      Amendment 14 Section 1:
      No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

      This is fairly clear that States can't take away rights you have on the Federal level.

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    2. Re:Question by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      Ah, so it is in the document. I always thought it was just "assumed" to apply to states as well and no one wanted to be an ass by claiming they could eliminate freedom of speech to their 50th of the US.

  7. You didn't get the memo by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 1
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech
    So, this is California trying to pass a law restricting freedom of speech. A state. Why is it now allowed under the first amendment?

    You have to understand, they've become so weak in recent years that they and many other terms co-opted as buzzwords have to be enclosed in quotation marks to convey the disdain that many hold for them. Here, try these examples:

    • Bill of "Rights"
    • First amendment "protections"
    • "Freedom" of Speech

    See how that works? Simple.

    Note that last case; "Freedom" is bandied about so much that it's attained almost commercial status. In lieu of quotation marks, the "trademark" symbol would also be appropriate.

    As for how they can justify that kind of legislation, the reasoning goes, "Hey, we legislate practically everything else! Wait'll you see our plans to tax them into oblivion!"

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  8. So idiotic... by databank · · Score: 1

    Here's a thought:

    When are people going to stop focusing on kids playing violent video games and start focusing on kids that are "violent"?

    1. Re:So idiotic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because thay are good at football. Thats why is ok to bully. Remember in most schools you dont get expelled for being a bully. You only get expelled if the other person fights back, then you both get expelled. Of corse the bully is just going to be working some menial local job anyway so he dosn't care. While the target of his crime accually wants and needs a good education. On the plus side its always fun visiting your old neiborhood, and laughing at the SOBs.

    2. Re:So idiotic... by tulak_horde · · Score: 1
      Here's a thought: When are people going to stop focusing on kids playing violent video games and start focusing on kids that are "violent"?

      Or more to the point. Why not encourage them to be violent since the government will be sending them to Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, North Korea anyway. If games make them more violent, the government should be all for it. Afterall, are you going to send somebody who's had a steady diet of the Sims and Dance Revolution to go find Zarqawi in Fallujah?

    3. Re:So idiotic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      On the plus side its always fun visiting your old neiborhood, and laughing at the SOBs.

      You are just jealous of my sweet 1984 Camero, my cheerleader wife, (who at 40 is now 195 lbs.) my 8 kids and my trailer which I only pay $240 a month space rent for.

    4. Re:So idiotic... by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Funny

      Afterall, are you going to send somebody who's had a steady diet of the Sims ... to go find Zarqawi in Fallujah?

      It would take a hell of a long time...

      "No really, the pool is safe. Honest. Come on in."
      *enemy enters pool. GI Sim leaves pool and takes ladder with him!*
      "Ha Ha, you fool! You are doomed! Drown!"

  9. A choice quote by deblau · · Score: 2, Informative
    From the case in Illinois, which gave a permanent injunction against enforcing the Illinois Violent Video Games Law and the Sexually Explicit Video Games Law:
    The priceless heritage of American society is the unrestricted constitutional right of each member to think as he will. Thought control is a copyright of totalitarianism, and Americans have no claim to it. It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error. These concerns apply to minors just as they apply to adults. If controlling access to allegedly "dangerous" speech is important in promoting the positive psychological development of children, in American society that role is properly accorded to parents and families, not the state.
    Amen, Brother. I hope all you Illinois residents out there send a big thank you to
    JUDGE MATTHEW F. KENNELLY
    United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division
    Everett McKinley Dirksen Building
    219 South Dearborn Street
    Chicago, Illinois 60604
    The name of the case is Entertainment Software Association v. Blagojevich. The judge was quoting Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, from his opinion in a 1950 case.
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  10. Where does it end? by billn · · Score: 1

    So the connection is being drawn, that exposure to violent concepts and scenes triggers violent tendencies. Will this bill extend to prohibiting the display of violence in the news? Violence in movie previews? Violence in commercials?

    Taken in scale, the real question come to the fore.. When do we get our daily doses of Prozium?

    The problem with violence is that it's a psychoreactive stimulus. In the case of media, we're talking about engaging characters in fight-or-flight inducing situations, without the risk. This is a playground for seeding addictive behaviour, which is something American's traditionally have problems dealing with. Alcoholism, drug habits, horrible spending habits. Reality television shows are no better than violent video games, in this respect. Are they next on the chopping block?

    The human animal thrives on conflict, be it political, physical, or d) other. This is basic human nature, and it's written in our history. Legislation will not solve this problem unless it promotes true *cultural reform*. The number of factors that must be addressed to foment this kind of change highlight this kind of legislation as narrow minded and indicative of sociological myopia. Violence isn't the problem. Violence is simply there. It's how we treat it, react to it, and ultimately, understand it (or don't).

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    - billn
  11. You should interfer with the parents choice by mikek3332002 · · Score: 1

    I agree banning the sale of violent games to minors, however they should be allowed to play them if there parents let them.