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Oracle Joins IBM AIX Collaboration Center
pgsqlDao writes "CRN is reporting that Oracle is joining IBM's AIX Collaboration Center. 'IBM announced the center Dec. 16 as a $200 million investment where it will centralize AIX development, customer relations and advanced features for independent software vendors. While the figure represents existing salaries and equipment drawn together under one roof, it also represents some shift in emphasis by IBM from Linux back to its mature Unix operating system.' In November Oracle announced that it has chosen Solaris 10 as it's preferred development and deployment platform for X64 computing."
it also represents some shift in emphasis by IBM from Linux back to its mature Unix operating system
This isn't necessarily a shift. Linux is perfect for many, many applications but there are a lot of applications and installations out there that are still relying on AIX. Even Linux users should be heartened to hear that IBM won't abandon their customers lightly.
Look how long they supported OS/2!
A monster ate my homework!
SCO has been trying to argue that by promoting Linux, IBM has killed off its Unix business. They want billions of dollars in damages. This development shows that both IBM and Oracle don't think Unix is dead. SCO's business is dead because they have the bad habit of suing their customers not because Unix is going extinct.
Just a year ago, the preferred direction as declared by Oracle was Linux boxes as a "grid" building block. IBM was pushing Linux. Sun has been schizo regarding x86 and ultrasparc and Linux support for a few years now.
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AIX service and applications are more profitible for IBM than are Linux services. I would bet that shoring up AIX is in repsonse to Sun's greater emphasis on Solaris. Both are formidible for large enterprise applications, but Solaris is now open source and picking up steam. This will be interesting to watch as two giants duke it out.
Who says non-Linux UNIX OS's are dead? Far from it.
the reason why Oracle went with Sun is because Sun was basically supporting OSS as well. Oracle is just as panicked about OSS databases as Sun is about OSS OSs. And while IBM can lose AIX, Sun can lose Solaris, Oracle will die if oracle the DB dies.
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I do remember one application where I worked that needed AIX: Oracle version 7 had something they called "pro*fortran", that allowed one to embed SQL statements in FORTRAN. (yes, the FORTRAN spelling is correct, because it was FORTRAN-77, not Fortran-90). In Oracle 8, AFAIK the first version that had a Linux version, pro*fortran was dropped. So, in my experience, the one situation where you need AIX is if you have FORTRAN-77 programs with embedded SQL statements.
It's pronounced "aches", just in case anybody is wondering.
IBM will gaurantee a transaction level with Oracle on AIX that they say they may gaurantee at some point in the future on Linux. I don't think this is just marketing to keep selling AIX, I really think it is still a better platform for a certain level of service.
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And "it's" is not a possessive pronoun.
http://tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_perf_results.aspT PC-C benchmark
Truly. What a POS OS... the least user-friendly surviving Unix I've used in years of porting.
Another big win would be to replace the generally crappy packaging systems with something like apt. A few companies have made a stab at implementing package systems that work around dependency hell, but I've never encountered one that works as well as apt does. And I'd sooner dig my eyeballs out of my head with toothpicks rather than work with SMIT ever again...
Those two steps alone would make commercial unices a lot nicer to deal with. While the other UNIX variants may be more mature than Linux in the kernel department, they are DECADES behind in the user interface arena. OSX being a noteworthy exception.
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Yea, type in SCO in your favorite search engine... like everyone else does, or read the news.
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Seems like a heck of a lot of money to spend on developing Asterisk's replacement for SIP.
That's what we're talking about...right?
"While the figure represents existing salaries and equipment drawn together under one roof, it also represents some shift in emphasis by IBM from Linux back to its mature Unix operating system."
How do you figure that? If all it is is shifting the books around, I don't see how it's changing emphasis on anything. Sounds more like simply reorganizing in the name of effenciency.
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Take a look at the unix03 register. Only Solaris 10 and AIX are Unix03 compliant. That's why it makes perfect sense for IBM to continue its commitement to AIX (and for Sun to Solaris of course).
Linux (I mean Linux in the broader sense, not just the kernel) should strive to achieve some sort of formal compatibility to a standard like that.
Big deal! Yeah sure! This made the front page news??! Huh. So, some executive has decided that yeah we should do this. Is this revolutionary in any way? Fuck no.
What the hell is AIX? I've been in IT for 10 years now and never heard of it.
IBM was using Unix under a license issued by AT&T but currently administered by SCO. Autozone got sued because they switched to Linux. Daimler Chrysler got sued because they quit using their licensed Unix several years ago.
That leaves Novell and Red Hat. Red Hat sued SCO. SCO sued Novell for slander of title. So, yes, the majority of people SCO sued were customers.
"it also represents some shift in emphasis by IBM from Linux back to its mature Unix operating system."
IBM will support OSS including Linux as long as the PR value exceeds any investment and not a second longer. Since they lost leadership of PC development, IBM has never met idea or consortium that they didn't like, but in the end their participation has little impact on the adoption of the technology involved.
IBM is a huge company, the IT industry is less stable than for a long time, and they are putting their eggs in more than one basket because they can?
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Thank ya Jesus! I'm not the only one! I mean there is some REALLY basic shit that some of these commercial Unices don't have. Command history anyone? This is probably the biggest annoyance. Is it that fucking hard to make my shell support the "up" key? Is it also that fucking hard to support an "insert mode" rather than always replacing? Tab completion? It's like living in the damn stone age working on these boxes I swear. I work in a mixed environment and have to switch back and forth a lot. I can tell you, 90% of my typing mistakes are because of one of the issues mentioned above.
/etc/route is a binary executable. STILL using sysadm. Super fucked up device names. root can log in on the first and second virtual terminals, but anything after that is off limits to root. more? MORE!?! more is the most archiac pager on the face of the earth. Keep it there for compatability, but give me "less" if I need it. The original vi? lmao. The original vi was written 30 years ago with the intention of programming over extremely slow network connections. There is no reason not to include a vi clone or nano. Cups is miles ahead of the bullshit printing systems I see on a daily basis. For many of them, we have a choice of like 10 HP laserjet printers and that's it. Some of these backup systems... I'd be better off with tar and gzip some are so awful. It's 2005 and you don't support network backups? Telnet? TELNET?! You're telling me to remotely adminstrate this box I've got to use telnet!? And is it that fuckin hard to give me a -h option for human readable output? I have more important things to do with my day than squint at a screen and count how many numbers long 22349873463 is.
One of our boxes is a dual 1ghz P3 SCO box w/ RAID 10 scsi disks. Sounds like it should have decent i/o, right? Fuck no. If you perform anything remotely disk intensive the box crawls to a snails pace. We have other open source operating systems on similiar hardware that never have this problem. The fucking thing loads more services on boot than an Open SuSe 10 full install with all services running at boot.
I think this myth that commercial Unices are somehow better is largely bullshit. Solaris is an exception, and there are maybe 1 or 2 other notables. But for the most part, commercial Unices are garbage. I've worked with all the Unices listed on the Unix rosetta stone and then some, and I can honestly say a good chunk didn't even attempt to make a decent commercial Unix.
I see so much retarded shit it'll make your head spin.
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SCO's unix biz was terminally ill long before they started suing people (although that didn't help) The law suits were simply an act of desparation. SCO is dead because their product lacked all the high-end features found in most of the big 64-bit unix flavors like Solaris, HP-UX, and AIX. SCO was living in the the low-end 32-bit intel area of the Unix neighborhood and they just couldn't compete with Linux there and 64-bit Solaris/AIX RISC on the high end. BTW... I heard that SCO's biggest customer (McDonalds) was switching to WinXP for their point-of-sale equipment. Probably the last nail in the coffin.