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Australian Media 'Crooks' to Come in from the Cold

pagefault writes "News.com is reporting that millions of Australians who tape TV shows and copy CDs will soon get the right to do it with a clear conscience. From the article: 'The Federal Government will next year legalize the video recording of television shows for personal use, and the transfer of songs from CDs to MP3 players, in a bid to overturn a ban which has made criminals of much of the population."

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  1. Everyone's a criminal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If everyone does it, then maybe its not so illegal.

    1. Re:Everyone's a criminal! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Informative
      You're forgetting that Australia is a nation that was founded by criminals. They are truly a nation where everyone was once a criminal.

      And more to the point, many of the people originally shipped to Australia were convicted of offences which would be considered barely criminal today, like stealing a loaf of bread (or copying a CD?).

      I wonder if any of the convicts on the First Fleet were sent over for stealing music? Sneaking into a concert hall for example?

    2. Re:Everyone's a criminal! by nathanh · · Score: 4, Funny
      You're forgetting that Australia is a nation that was founded by criminals. They are truly a nation where everyone was once a criminal.

      And America was founded by puritans. Australians are forever grateful that we got the better deal.

      Back to reality, Australia was neither founded by criminals nor was everyone once a criminal. Australia was founded by the British as a penal colony. God bless America for doing a bang up job on your education.

    3. Re:Everyone's a criminal! by CRC'99 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's interesting that nearly EVERY comment is about Australia being founded by criminals. Do they teach nothing more than that in other places around the world?

      What about the fact that it's the country (a government department no less!) that invented 802.11g?

      What about the fact that a hell of a lot of healthcare stuff is started in Australia?

      I remember reading something a while ago about the bionic ear was an Australian invention, and probably a ton of other stuff...

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    4. Re:Everyone's a criminal! by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 5, Funny
      Do they teach nothing more than that in other places around the world?
      That's just a stereotype picked up from TV. The stuff about Australia that's taught in schools in the rest of the world is quite different. In fact, just for reference I'm putting the entire history of Australia that's taught in the US in the remainder of this comment:
    5. Re:Everyone's a criminal! by rohan972 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, we don't drink Foster's beer, we export it to people who ARE willing to drink it. Ha.

    6. Re:Everyone's a criminal! by Fred_A · · Score: 5, Informative

      Drink it ? Is that what you're supposed to do with it ?
      I use it to kill weeds and small children.

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  2. Moral vs Legal by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I seriously doubt someone had unclear conscience while trying to copy his own CD-s to his own mp3 player.
    Again brainwashing in action to make what's moral and what's legal the same thing.

    If they outlaw living should I have bad conscience for being alive?

  3. Re:Any Enforcement? by OzJimbob · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nah, they were rarely enforced. Most people don't know they exist, and that's fair enough, because you assume if you buy a CD you have the right to make a copy of it for yourself. That makes sense. The laws against it don't. It's only with the rise of portable MP3 players that the media has picked up on the fact that, before the recent opening of the Australian iTunes store, there was almost no legal use for an iPod in Australia, yet they were selling in their thousands.

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  4. Mass civil disobedience wins? by cloricus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm an Australian and I know of four police officers who are absolutely aware of my mp3(/ogg) collection. My collection is ripped from cd's that I legitimately own using sound-juicer and put onto my ipod using gtkpod. The police officers that have knowledge of this have part-taken in usage of my ipod to play these 'illegal' tracks and in three cases the officers themselves have children (or personally) who have mp3's both legal and illegal.

    So I ask; how can the police enforce a law/requirement that they themselves do not respect? Further more I welcome this ruling from our great overlords (who I voted against) as it will stop most of the population being made criminals for using some thing (fairly) that they paid for. Kudos.

    PS. Please don't arrest me and use this post* in court as an admittance of breaking the law!

    *In the event that this post is used in the above fashion it is a complete fabrication! *Hides in his Bunker!

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  5. Just wait a year or two by l33tlamer · · Score: 5, Funny

    [US President]: Hey, I hear that you are letting your minions copying CDs down there. You do remember the agreement we had right?
    [AUS President]: huh?
    [US President]: The FREE trade agreement?
    [AUS President]: Oh yeah, I forgot. Don't worry, should be fixed in a jiffy. Btw, I got to get back to Australia in a week. The people seems to get a bit worried when their president is away for more than a few months.
    [US President]: Ok, I guess I can replace you with an intern. Go ahead and get out from underneath my desk.

    All hail to our Yanky overlords. I, as an Australian, welcome our inclusion into the United States of America as its newest state. I also welcome renaming our parliament to "Congress" and our Prime Minister to "President". One can only hope that the states will outsource its prison facilities over here.

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  6. Re:Any Enforcement? by AtrN · · Score: 4, Funny
    Were they enforced often

    True story...

    At the last federal election I rock up to the polling place, a school not too far from my house. I just walked up, got the iPod going so I don't have to listen to the local "party members" trying to hand me how to vote forms. As I walk in this guy, talking to someone on his left, bumps into me. I turn around, he turns around. It's fucking John Howard (prime minister of Oz if you don't know) - his office is just up the road from the school and he'd wandered down for a meet-and-greet. I just kept going.

    He did nothing! There I was, fragantly defying the law of the land and our fearless leader, otherwise known as "the rodent", did nothing. He had his security guys there. He could of tackled me himself. Grabbed me and made a citizen's arrest or something. But he did nothing. Weak on law he is. Weak!

  7. Not criminals! by the+packrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just to insert a little sanity here. In Australia, most copyright violations are prosecuted in the civil courts (exceptions include sale of couterfeit goos, called 'passing off'). It is only in corrupt countries where the media corporations can easily buy new laws that such things have fallen under criminal prosecution.

    Let's not even begin to talk about the DCMA, the shiny new laws which make videotaping a movie in a theatre more heavily punished than several types of killing, or the perpetual copyright on Mickey Mouse or anything else that american corporations bother to pay supreme court justices for.

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  8. Re:Artists lose??? by wkitchen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Artist" in this context means "media corporations", and "lose" means "fail to gain".