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10 Biggest Microsoft Surprises of 2005

IZ Reloaded writes "The Microsoft Watch has a top 10 list of the biggest Microsoft surprises of the year. Among the surprises are Internet Explorer rising from the dead, Microsoft gets RSS and Microsoft Office team blogging. From Microsoft Watch: MS 'gets' RSS: While some folks were less than overjoyed that Microsoft was tinkering with the "little orange RSS box," Microsoft ended up looking like a company with a clue when it came to outlining its company-wide RSS strategy in 2005. RSS support will be built into not just Internet Explorer 7.0, but also Outlook 12 and Windows Vista itself. Almost all Microsoft blogs and sites have RSS feeds these days. RSS is gospel in Redmond these days."

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  1. I dont 'get' RSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it just me or do other people not get RSS?

    It seems to me to be very limited, only useful to be able to quickly read headlines from peoples blogs.

    Sorry to piss on your blogfire, but most people have better things to do that keep up to date with blogging.

    I realise its Web 2.0 and all that, but is RSS really important enough to put into the OS?!

    1. Re:I dont 'get' RSS by ClioCJS · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I don't see a point in it either.

      I either run a .BAT file which opens several webpages, or "open each bookmark in this bookmark folder in a separate tab".

      If I want to add "new subscriptions", I add a line to the .BAT file or a bookmark to my folder-that-I-always-open-all-the-bookmarks-in-at- once.

      I don't want all my websites washed down and aggregated into a standardized display of headers. I like that each website is structured differently; the visual differences help provide me with site-specific content. I don't want everything to look the same.

      As such, I have tried RSS several times and just don't see the point for me.

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    2. Re:I dont 'get' RSS by pjunold · · Score: 2, Interesting

      RSS feeds for high traffic websites lige slashdot is only semi interesting.

      However for low traffic/low volume blogs/discussion fora RSS really shines. No I don't want to manually check these sites every day.

      While some discussion fora support sending a mail when a new topic is created(http://newsboard.unclassified.de/ being one of them) - I find this to be too intrusive.

      /Peter

    3. Re:I dont 'get' RSS by vadim_t · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It has many uses. Just not everybody needs it.

      For example, I have a Subversion post-commit script that takes the changelog, formats it, and posts it on a blog on tikiwiki. This serves as a nice permanent record, and anybody who just wants to keep track of my progress can subscribe to the RSS feed.

      Another nice use is security updates. Maybe I don't want to open the page for every distribution I use every day. It's a lot easier to see that something new appeared in the security folder.

      But yeah, if your daily usage consists in going to slashdot every day, RSS makes little sense. It's most useful when you do not want to do that.

    4. Re:I dont 'get' RSS by Achoi77 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The big benefit for me is speed. I can get lots of different news articles and titles consolidated undeer one app, which I can scan over real quickly and cherry pick the ones I would be most interested in. It's amazing how up to date I can be on the topics that pique my interest, and at the same time by scanning thru the headlines real quick have some cursory knowledge on information that may not normally interest me initially, but may develop into something later. The downside to this is that you have to be regularly checking your aggregator, otherwise if you take a week off it, you'll be overloaded with like 600 articles to read when you check it again. Incidentally it also slowed down my constant refreshing of /., causing me to participate less (prolly also got something to do with the way /. does it's RSS feeds - pretty slow). Today I've decided to do something different and just read /.

      Yeah yeah, I'm an RSS speed junkie. But i like my news, and I like it fast. Within 5 minutes of hitting the web, I'll know about it. I also listen to podcasts which I get fed, but I only do that at work. I do miss the discussions on /. when I just have my RSS feeds, but on the flipside, I can get a lot more work done! :-)

    5. Re:I dont 'get' RSS by smoker2 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      What's blogging ? I can honestly say I've never read a "blog".

      However, I use rss all the time. For example, I have around 300 xvid files that I like to access quickly, so I wrote a perl script to create an rss feed so that each title links to (and plays via file type association) the relevant file. No internet even needed there, although I do run Apache so that my windows box can run the same files over the LAN and display them through my projector :->
      It's useful for me....

      Another useful aspect (in Firefox anyway) is the live bookmark. I have live bookmarks for manybooks.net (shows me recent additions to the download list) and Redhat (shows me the latest articles in the RH magazine).

      Also, as I run linux, I have access to something called gDesklets, this being a desktop applet system for Gnome. One of the applets is a News/RSS Grabber. I have 2 of these running on the desktop, one gets its feed from /. the other from BBC News. Have a look. (The clock is an applet too)

      I don't think it needs to be part of the OS, but that doesn't mean it's not useful.

  2. Number 7 is not really a suprise now is it. by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Interesting
    7. Redmond still can't find a way to shake its shoddy security image: In 2005, Microsoft spent lots of time, energy and Webcasts detailing its plans to improve security. But at the end of the year, as security expert Bruce Schneier put it so succinctly: Internet Explorer sucks. Here's hoping Windows Vista and Internet Explorer 7.0 improve things a bit.

    Who here honestly believed that MS would really put some effort in cleaning up the crap that is IE? Oh sure, they might make some fixes to the next version but what do you expect? The people at MS are not insane or stupid, they do not produce shoddy code on purpose. It is just the MS always adds so many features to its product that on release it turns out there are a whole lot of open holes because of all the features. The best way to make IE more secure is to rip out activex. Not going to happen.

    You can in theory do the best more secure development in the world and if you then have some idiot decide that it would be really cool if unknown code could have free access to the system (html/javascript email) none of it matters. It would be like trying to design a safe and have markelting insist on a nice clear glass panel in the outside wall so people can see how save their money is.

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  3. Fanboydom Shilling by eyepeepackets · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hard to tell from the hyper "This is all _so_ cool" attitude of the writer, but
    every indicator I've seen in the past year says that more and more Americans
    (not sure about the Europeans) have wised up to the MS process of whipping up
    some alpha-level code, throwing it on the market all the while marketing said
    code as the greatest thing since sex. The experience of the consumer after she
    gets her pretty new Dell does not match the picture presented by Microsoft and
    Dell as to what the experience will be.

    I talk with a lot of folks from grandmas to IT people and the one constant across
    the board is that people are sick of Microsoft's junk because of unreliability
    problems, whether due to security or stability or scalibility, etc, etc. ad
    infinitum, ad nauseaum.

    The only reason Microsoft has managed to get away with pushing their junk on the
    market is because most of these folks were coming into the PC realm for the
    first time and didn't know any better. Well, they sure as hell know better now:
    They've been burned repeatedly by lousy MS junk since the middle of the
    1980's and they are actively looking for alternatives.

    Look for Apple and F/OSS to have a banner year.

    Cheers.

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    1. Re:Fanboydom Shilling by Keebler71 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That is so 2000 of you. Everything you say used to be true, but seriously, XP and Office XP and beyond are rock solid. I am coming up on 4 years of using XP on my home computer and it has crashed a grand total of (wait for it) one time. And that was the first boot after intalling untrusted drivers from my PVR-250 (and after that reboot, nary a problem since).

      The biggest problem in my opinion with Windows is the thrid party developers who refuse to write software that will run in limited user mode - this forces a lot of people to run XP from an admin account thus they loose that extra layer of security. Fortunately, they seem to have finally caught on this last year and I am down to only one program that won't work in my limited account. Interestingly, it is a game (Enemy Territory) that works fine itself in limited mode but a component I like to use(punkbuster) requires admin rights.

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    2. Re:Fanboydom Shilling by DocLandolt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is so 2000 of you. Everything you say used to be true, but seriously, XP and Office XP and beyond are rock solid.

      While that's very true, and I've been running it on different PCs for about the same time (with nary a problem), you have to admit, it is pretty stale. I was forced to run OS X at work for about a year and a half, and that never really did it for me either.

      I'd never set so much as a finger on a Linux distro until a few weeks ago when I downloaded an Ubuntu LiveCD for a simple partitioning tool I couldn't get through Windows...

      Now, I've spent the last few weeks toiling away, reading about how to properly convert my laptop over as a duel-boot!

      I really was an MS "fanboy" for all these years...and yes, XP does "just work"...but from my perspective, Linux has BLOWN past XP in features...and probably some time ago, but I was just too busy to look. I don't know about Apple, but I agree with the GP -- if my stubborn ass is switching, then yes, expect a banner year for Linux distros!

    3. Re:Fanboydom Shilling by eyepeepackets · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "That is so 2000 of you. Everything you say used to be true..."

      Well, let's see what the coming year has to offer and revisit the conversation
      this time next year? Since you suggest that I am out-of-date and thus
      out-of-touch with the sentiment of the PC using public, let's see what the coming
      year's results say is the reality of the matter.

      Microsoft is indeed offering up an alternative to their own mess this coming
      year, perhaps people will adopt the new/old Vista/XP in mega-droves of crazed PC
      users looking for solutions to the Microsoft mess in which they currently
      subsist. After all, everyone knows nothing works like the hair of the dog that
      bit you, eh?

      I would suggest you be careful extropolating from your own experience as
      concerns the general public's experiences. I'm not just whistling Daisy when I
      say I've spent the last year talking with a broad spectrum of computer users,
      and I'm not "extending the truth" when I say folks are sick of their PCs
      continously singing Daisy when using Microsoft's products.

      Let's call it the Year of the Measure. Who knows, perhaps Microsoft can buy a solution some where, some way, some how. Perhaps.

      Happy New Year

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    4. Re:Fanboydom Shilling by ejp1082 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to agree, although I think Windows 2000 was far superior to XP. Either way, I've run both for years with hardly a problem, and months between reboots.

      I'm not much a fan of MS, but honestly I think Microsoft gets a lot of undeserved flak. (They get a lot of deserved flak too, I just want to be objective for a second.)

      Face it, there's a lot of:

      1) Shitty drivers.
      2) Shitty third party software.
      3) Idiot users.

      That Microsoft has absolutely no control over and account for an awful lot of the problems so often attributed to problems inherent to Windows. I daresay that if Linux or Mac OS X had a 90% marketshare, you'd see a lot of the same problems with those platforms.

  4. WGA plug-in for Mozilla by anarxia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Windows Genuine Advantage validation plug-in was the biggest surprice for me. In the download page they even have step-by-step instructions with photos on how to install it on Firefox.

    1. Re:WGA plug-in for Mozilla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > The Windows Genuine Advantage validation plug-in was the biggest surprice for me. In the download page they even have step-by-step instructions with photos on how to install it on Firefox.

      I attempted to try this out on my gf's XP box earlier this month and there was no sign of a plug-in for Firefox. I seem to recall they said it was beta when the slashdot article first ran, maybe they pulled it?

  5. Surprising facts.. repeated mantras? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How on earth can Microsoft's 2nd greatest surprise of the year be addition of RSS support in IE? Blogmonsters living in their blogospherecaves don't seem to have any clue about the real popularity of RSS. Hint: it's close to zero in any scale.

    Why didn't the writer tell us about the results of MS Research http://research.microsoft.com/? Or the growth of Raymond Chen's fan club http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/? Or that the notorious nitpick Jacob Nielsen gave a bit of positive feedback to Microsoft and the upcoming Office http://www.useit.com/alertbox/wysiwyg.html?

  6. Re:Number One a Surprise? by moro_666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    let's say you have a company with 500 computers

    they all need some sort of office software to handle text documents and spreadsheets ...

    would you pay 50 times the price of an office suite for an web based office that will handle all the 500 computers or would you like to buy 500 office licences instead ?

    at some point it all comes down to some cost. the current microsoft licencing techniques are very very tricky and unless you get what's behind it, you are literally ripped off.

    and now updating one machine with a new office server suite is quite an easy job but updating 500 machines ? have you ever administrated a 500 machine windows mess ? no ? try it out, i promise it won't be boring :) and don't forget that backuping one server is a lot easier than backuping 500 clients (yeah, sure everybody uses network disks but hey, there are days when the network switches break down and the silly users think that it's safe to leave the company's financial information on their sloppy ide disks.... and they tend to forget it there).

    ps. not depending on the office suite producers platform is also quite a big boost, if you can run thin clients instead of 500 windows boxes, you will save a lot of windows licence money and a lot of hardware money. also the electricity bill will be much thinner with thin clients.

    ps. ps. microsoft wont ever make their office run in "any browser", maybe they will add more ways to run it in IE (at least some office components already work in there), but that's as good as it gets.

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  7. WinFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    3. WinFS bits go out early: For some strange reason,
    Strange reason? Mac OS X with Spotlight shipped!

  8. Re:Rises from the dead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think the comment referred to IE's once-shrinking userbase.

    I've seen the IE userbase start to grow over the last few months, apparently at the expense of Gecko-based browsers. Of course, my corporation-centric public site isn't representative of all sites world-wide, but it is a single data point. Surprisingly, Safari growth is happening too... likely due to the rapid collapse of IE on Mac.

  9. MS gets RSS by Excelsior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    MS 'gets' RSS: While some folks were less than overjoyed that Microsoft was tinkering with the "little orange RSS box," Microsoft ended up looking like a company with a clue when it came to outlining its company-wide RSS strategy in 2005. RSS support will be built into not just Internet Explorer 7.0, but also Outlook 12 and Windows Vista itself. Almost all Microsoft blogs and sites have RSS feeds these days. RSS is gospel in Redmond these days."

    Microsoft is adding RSS features years after they have become standard in other browsers and email clients. Microsoft is blogging years after others started. MS adds RSS feeds to its websites years after others. And this means MS gets RSS?

    MS was slow to RSS just like they were slow to understand that the Internet was important. But they will probably dominate RSS just like the Internet.

  10. Re:Microsoft and RSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Why has this been modded troll? It's very true - RSS built into Windows is an(other) attack vector.

    I can see the MS bulletin now: Critical. A buffer overflow exists in the MSRSS parser that will allow the execution of arbitary code with the current user's priviledges [will be admin by default]. If the user has chosen to use our pointless "My Favorites' (sic) headlines on your logon screen" then code could be executed as system [analagous to root], as we really don't have any clue when it comes to sensibly implementing security.

    Back to this moderation: if you have mod points and you don't get a joke 100%, or even understand a comment completely, please don't moderate it. Concentrate on modding up.