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Earbud Headphones May Cause Hearing Loss

benr writes "According to an AP report, the earbud headphones that are so popular for ipods and other portable devices may lead to hearing loss. From the article: "The big culprits aren't the devices themselves, but the tiny 'ear bud' style headphones that the music players use. 'Unfortunately, the earbuds are even more likely to cause hearing loss than the muff-type earphones that were used on Walkman and portable CD players'""

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  1. I've proven this... by Kickboy12 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had some old earbud headphones in which the left earbud was dead, and didn't have the time/money to buy new ones. I used them for months with my CD Player, and when I finally did get new headphones, I found my right-ear isn't as good as it use to be. I got new ones about 2 months ago, but my ear still isn't at "peak efficiency". Won't make that mistake twice.

    1. Re:I've proven this... by DavidV · · Score: 5, Funny

      'my ear still isn't at "peak efficiency". Won't make that mistake twice.'

      It could be beneficial to make the mistake twice... at least your hearing would be balanced.

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    2. Re:I've proven this... by GMC-jimmy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the real culprit here is improper Volume (loudness) settings and not headphones/earbuds.

      I have some real nice Princess Leia style headphones, and even though they totally surround the ear, I never set the volume so high that I can't hear someone speak to me with a normal tone of voice. Hearing loss runs in my family, so keeping a reasonable Volume setting is very important to me.

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    3. Re:I've proven this... by JazzCrazed · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I sort of go along that vein, using a distant cousin of the ear bud: in-ear monitors. These actually seal up the ear canal relatively completely, isolating the music from outside noise far better than ear buds (think ear plugs and headphones combined). And I never feel the need to turn my music's volume further than halfway.

      So I don't suffer from over-loudness, but of course one consequence of this is that I am pretty much deaf to anything outside the headphones, so I can't hear people talking to me like you can. But IEMs or other similar noise-isolating/cancelling headphones are nigh necessity on the NYC subway, as far as I'm concerned. There's probably far more people suffering hearing loss on the subway here than anywhere else, as they crank to 11 to kill off the scream of the trains.

  2. In short, by dtfinch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Loud stuff hurts ears.

  3. Common sense by brain+defrag · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This issue basically boils down to common sense. If you listen to your music at excessively high volume, you will eventually suffer hearing loss. People also need to realize that their hearing adapts to different sound levels. European iPods ship with a volume limiter for this reason.

  4. Re:when it's too loud you are too old by skeptictank · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No matter how loud you can crank your stereo, several months of a crying baby in your house will make you appreciate the little bit of the quiet time you get.

  5. Re:The new in-ear ones or the old? by squidinkcalligraphy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've got a pair of Shure e2c in-ear-canal phones and they are wonderful at blocking out external noise. Subsequently, I rarely go above 25% on my jukebox now, compared to an average 75% with the crappy bud-style phones. I'm sure the more efficient drivers have something to do with that as well, though.

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  6. For those with Tinnitus by zap_branigan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am only 38 and have a bad case of Tinnitus. For those lucky bastards who don't---look it up and take very seriously the amount of noise you get. I work downtown in a LARGE city and I always put in earplugs when I am walking to lunch for an hour or so. I started doing that after taking a decibel meter outside with me one day. Amazing how loud life is now.

  7. Found this in the 1940s and it's TODAYS news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    How can the Associated Press and its editors find a new news story out of something that has been publicized since the 1940s?

    To what extent and in what form should the news media re-teach readers basic life lessons (eat a balanced diet, exercise, drink in moderation, don't listen to loud music, etc.)?

    How should the press segregate news so that the average reader does not get lowest common denomiator news (e.g., things aimed at those that don't know better or are 5 years old or younger)?

    Begin Quote from: "The History of Audiology" http://www.asha.org/public/hearing/aud_history.htm

    The History of Audiology

    The profession of audiology had its origins in the 1920s when audiometers were first designed for measuring hearing. Interest in this profession surged in the 1940s when soldiers returned from World War II with noise induced hearing loss due to near-by gunfire or to prolonged and unprotected exposure to machinery noise. Others had psychogenic (non-organic) hearing loss as a result of severe emotional and mental stress. The Veterans Administration took a lead role in providing hearing testing and rehabilitation through hearing aids, auditory training, and speechreading (lipreading) programs.

    Since the 1940s and 1950s, the study of hearing, hearing loss, and audiologic rehabilitation has escalated and expanded. New tests of hearing have been developed including evaluations of functions of the outer ear, middle ear, cochlea, acoustic nerve, and related brain areas. Techniques using physiologic measurements that were in the research stages 20-30 years ago are now routine.

    Modern technology and computerization have dramatically influenced hearing aids. Hearing aids have changed from "boxes" in shirt pockets and "cords" to the ear to highly sophisticated "completely-in-the-ear canal" aids. Virtually any kind of hearing loss can be improved by a hearing aid. Cochlear implants are increasingly common and successful. Through cochlear implantation, a destroyed or damaged cochlea can be by-passed and the acoustic nerve can be stimulated directly.

    Today, audiologists and the practice of audiology have widespread visibility. Audiology has a presence in public schools, health care centers, private practices, nursing homes, community agencies, the military, hospitals. colleges and universities, hearing aid dispensing centers, hearing and speech centers. They test hearing and listening ability; they fit hearing aids and assistive listening devices; they provide training and rehabilitation programs for individuals with hearing and listening disorders; they participate on health care and educational teams tp plan and provide the most appropriate services.

    1. Re:Found this in the 1940s and it's TODAYS news? by munpfazy · · Score: 5, Informative

      The rule of thumb suggested by researchers at Boston Children's Hospital is to hold the volume of a music player no higher than 60 percent of the maximum, and use it for only about an hour a day.


      Of course for those of you whose volume controls go all the way to 11, that should be decreased to 54% of full scale.

      Seriously, am I the only person who thinks this advice completely insane? 60% converted on an arbitrary scale, converted to sound pressure with a device-dependent conversion that varies wildly? I hope that comment was misquoted or taken out of context.

      With portable and headphone I'm currently using, 60% full scale would blow out my ears in seconds, if the headphones didn't first destroy themselves in a valiant attempt to save my ears. It's true I've got a very good pair of heaphones and a pretty high-ampltude device, but anything above 3-4% max is too loud for comfort. On the other hand, I've listened to equipment at which full scale with all the equalizer channels maximized isn't loud enough.

      It seems to me the problem hasn't got anything to do with ear-buds or portables. Unfortunately, it's a lot more widespread and hard to deal with than that. From the article:

        "I have an audiologist friend at Wichita State University who actually pulls off earphones of students he sees and asks, in the interest of science, if he could measure the output of the signal going into their heads,'' Garstecki said. Often he finds students listening at 110 to 120 decibels.


      120 dB? That's completely insane. Anyone who's *able* to stick 120 dB in their ears without wincing and making a desperate grab for the volume switch has already got some pretty serious hearing damage, if you ask me.

      But that's not too surprising, since everything in our society is screaming at us constantly. I'm continually amazed by the amount of volume people tolerate on the subway, in movie theaters, in concerts. I now carry earplugs with me everywhere and end up using them several times a day. That sucks, because it's impossible to find earplugs with a nice flat frequency response, so you end up with badly colored audio. Nothing pissed me off more than paying money to listen to live music and then to have no choice but to hear it through muddy earplugs. Why the hell anyone *wants* to hear a jazz concert in a little tiny club at earsplitting volume is another question. I can only assume it's because we've all burned out our hearing elsewhere.

      But, this is in danger of becoming a completely unrestrained rant, so I better quit.
    2. Re:Found this in the 1940s and it's TODAYS news? by cory_p82 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Fligor & Cox article (Ear & Hearing, 2004) took an average safe level across a bunch of commonly available portable CD players and different headphones. In this study, the 60% mark was the average safe point for 1-hour of listening per day (using current NIOSH damage-risk criteria). Certainly, you can have much much louder levels at "60%" of your volume dial. This is dependent purely on the outputs of your headphones and your stereo/portable music player.

      If I remember correctly (sorry, on vacation, article is at home), it was actually 70%... but whatever. 60% is even safer, and would allow longer listening time.

      That, unfortunately, is the best sort of generalization that one can make, due to the variations in output levels of portable electronics and headphones. There are, of course, some warning signs to heed. If you have ringing in your ears, or notice a temporary hearing loss after using your headphones... they are way too loud. Some good earphones do exist that have a fairly flat response, that attenuate sound from the outside. Shure and Etymotic Research both make in-the-ear type earphones with either custom-fit or foam-plugs that keep outside sounds out so that you can reduce the volume in your ear.

      We're working (Dr. Fligor and I) on a follow-up with mp3 players. Should be done in a couple months. I'm sure it will hit /. when it's published.

  8. Re:Slashdot writeup missed the point by hugzz · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As far as I can see, earbuds aren't really a cause of the problem.. just people.

    Why would any different style of speaker be any more or less likely to cause hearing damage vs another? Surely the only thing that really matters is the volume at which the sound hits your eardrum.

    Earbuds may be closer to the eardrum, but the sound that comes out of them is far less loud than that of a speaker (for comparison, plug your earbuds in and listen to them from the same distance that you'd listen to speakers from. clearly they're FAR more quiet). Therefore they make up for the closer distance to your eardrum by being less noisy. As a result, you should be just as likely to get hearing damage from speakers as from earbuds, assuming you listen to both at the same perceived volume.

    All that the article seems to indicate is "In a study published last year in the journal Ear and Hearing, researchers at Harvard Medical School looked at a variety of headphones and found that, on average, the smaller they were, the higher their output levels at any given volume-control setting.". So basically smaller earphones are more sensitive. Duh? Basically all they're saying is that you dont have to turn the volume knob up as high for small buds vs big headphones.

    At any given volume, earbuds aren't any more likely to cause hearing damage than headphones or speakers.. it's just that it seems people are too dumb to realise that they have to turn the volume knob down when they change to different brands/styles of headphones.

    The research doesn't show that earbuds cause hearing damage, it shows that excessive listening to music at excessive volumes causes hearing damage. It just so happens that portable music players gives the option for many people to listen to music for large amounts of time, and that most portable music players come with earbud style headphones. This is not causation.

    In the end, the best way to prevent hearing damage is probably "in-ear phones" or "canalphones". See etymotic, shure, sony, sharp. They are just earphones that go deep inside the earcanal and use a material (usually silicone or foam) to make a seal with the earcanal to prevent any external noise from "leaking" in. Thus, you dont have to turn up the volume to allow you to hear your music over cars, computer fans, tvs, etc... Thus, your music is at a lower volume and your hearing is happier

    For proof, btw, I personally got hearing damage when i moved away from canalphones and instead bought some full-sized headphones. They were both very bright in sound (lots of shharp trebble) and open (lots of sound leaking in, meaning i turned it up more). That combo did more damage than earphones ever have

  9. Re:We're turning into a nation of deaf people by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm fairly sure the loudness in movie previews is caused by a tendency in recent years for audio producers to make a sound "louder" by amplifying the audio signal.

    You're fairly sure it's louder because they're making it louder?

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  10. As a note, hearing damage is [generally] permanent by jschottm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone who works in the live audio industry, it pains me to see the people who stand directly in front of the speakers with no protection. Hearing loss is permanent and unpleasant. It's not something that just comes back.

    Flying the other day, the guy sitting two seats across from me had his iPod turned up so loud that I could hear the drum rolls clearly, despite having 27dB drop earplugs in. For comparison's sake, when I listened (without the earplugs) to music for a little while when I worked on some code, I used a pair of Sony cheapie headphones. Held six inches from me, I couldn't hear the music above the noise of the airplane (again, without the earplugs).

    The use of loud audio sources, both with portable audio devices and cell phones (I can often hear the sending side of a cell phone conversation from 15 feet away) is going to cause significant damage to the hearing of the "with it" generation.

    For those curious why people are so intent on damaging their hearing, I'll give two facts:

    1. People associate louder sound as being more impressive.

    2. (partially related to 1) People perceive louder sound differently than softer sound. Our hearing system changes its frequency response based on how loud the source is, refered to as the Fletcher-Munson Curve(s).

    The bottom line? Be aware of how loud you're listening to audio sources and protect yourself. Tinnitus is horrible (ringing in the ears), but it's also common to suffer damage in the 3-6 KHz range, where much of the understandability of speech is, leading to the situation of being able to hear but not make out what someone is saying. Turn down your cell phone and personal audio device, as well as your car stereo. If you're curious just how loud the audio in you life is, an SPL meter can easily be aquired at your local Rat Shack or online source. You might be surprised.

  11. Re:We're turning into a nation of deaf people by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 5, Informative

    a) It's called compression. It doesn't clip peaks in the signal; it reduces dynamic range.

    b) It's used in radio, highly produced music (like most pop music), and anything even remotely related to advertising, to allow a sound to carry more energy within a constrained peak amplitude range.

    c) It's used in mass market movies, especially action movies, to provide more impact. Dramatic movies, serious movies, and indie stuff tend not to use it since it doesn't suit their needs - just like music, where classical, jazz, and most independent artists use compression as a tool for good, not evil (compression isn't inherently bad... if the producer knows how to use it.)

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  12. Re:DIY hearing test - NOT ACCURATE by cory_p82 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am an audiologist.

    This is a completely inaccurate and fully misleading "test"

    1) It is very dependent on your setup.
    2) Equivalent Loudness is not an accurate measure of hearing ability for too many reasons to name here. Suffice it to say that "thresholds" are how we audiologists measure it.
    3) THE "DIAGNOSES" ARE WRONG. Completely. None of them are remotely correct. High-frequency hearing loss almost never indicates a wax buildup or middle ear dysfunction. Mid-frequency (2-5kHz) loss is NOT middle ear dysfunction. Low-frequency (250-500) loss does not indicate noise-induced hearing loss. THEY ARE ALL WRONG, DISREGARD THEM COMPLETELY. Diagnoses can only be given by an audiologist or an ENT physician. And not one of these are anywhere near correct.
    4) Hearing loss above 10kHz is natural and doesn't mean anything. Further, persons with normal hearing need a much higher output level at 15kHz than at 500Hz to even detect sound.

    The best way to test your hearing? Visit an audiologist. They can help you.

    If you want a MUCH more accurate hearing screening, you can visit Freehearingtest.com. It's a screening... not very accurate, but much more so than this. And easy to do as well.

    I suggest visiting wikipedia to learn more about hearing loss. Also, the American Academy of Audiology.

  13. Recommendation by Attila · · Score: 5, Funny

    The rule of thumb suggested by researchers at Boston Children's Hospital is to hold the volume of a music player no higher than 60 percent of the maximum, and use it for only about an hour a day.

    Unfortunately, this recommendation is likely to fall on deaf ears.

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  14. Re:Lol, I am exactly the reverse by BoomerSooner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to disagree. I have some serious hearing loss due to listening to handheld music devices for most of my life. The nice incessent ringing in the background is a joy. Plus saying, "What did you say" about 100 times a week is rather bothersome. The worst part is the inability to hear when you're in a place with a lot of background noise. For example you cannot have a conversation in a restaurant without the people with you speaking very loudly. Not to mention people are always saying "tone it down" since I speak normally with an elevated level to hear myself (not intentionally).

    Hearing loss is horrible, don't fuck with it.

  15. Real Earplugs... by BearJ · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Let me just second this. I do a lot of work in bars and other loud places. I used to use those disposable foamy deals. They have a horrible frequency response, so you never really hear what's going on that well. They also irritated my ears after awhile. I shelled out for molded earplugs with proper filters in them. They are amazing!

    First off, because they are custom molded to my ear, they don't put pressure on the ear canal in order to stay in place. Much more comfortable. The coolest thing is how they work though. When I first tried them on, I thought they weren't working very well. I could still hear everything just fine. It was rather odd. However, after wearing them a few times in high noise situations, I noticed something. When I left the noise...my ears weren't ringing. And that's the best part. I can hear everything and it sounds normal, and yet my ears are protected. Give 'em a try. Yes, they are expensive But they're protecting something you can't get back once you lose.

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