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Hackers Rebel Against Spy Cams

Wired is running an article looking at the little ways in which Austrian technology users are striking back against surveillance. From the article: "Members of the organization worked out a way to intercept the camera images with an inexpensive, 1-GHz satellite receiver. The signal could then be descrambled using hardware designed to enhance copy-protected video as it's transferred from DVD to VHS tape. The Quintessenz activists then began figuring out how to blind the cameras with balloons, lasers and infrared devices. And, just for fun, the group created an anonymous surveillance system that uses face-recognition software to place a black stripe over the eyes of people whose images are recorded."

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  1. Excellent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is civil disobedience and hacking at its best. Good for them.

    1. Re:Excellent! by MPHellwig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your IP has been logged and back traced to your residential address and ID, this post has been added to your psychology profile (which btw is a good laugh).

      Thank you for your cooperation.

      NSA

  2. Um...where, exactly? by Sensible+Clod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like someone can't tell where this is happening. FTA:

    BERLIN -- When the Austrian government passed a law this year allowing police to install closed-circuit surveillance cameras in public spaces without a court order, the Austrian civil liberties group Quintessenz vowed to watch the watchers.

    Okay, so how is this about "Berlin technology users"? Or am I missing something?

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  3. Who decides? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a scary as the survaliance system is to me. If we do live in a democroacy then the people who put the survalence systems in were elected officials who we have decided are compenant to make improtant decisions. So a vigilante group has decided that they don't like this decision and have taken action themselves instead of organising a grass roots political oposition to the decsion. That is scary. We have as much to fear from vigilante groups of hackers as we do from overzelous goverments. I know I'll get the typical responses pertianing to the failure of democroacy and the lack of properly educated voters in the system, but on sheer principle its still scary. I also suppose that I could throw in a terrible potential if acts of this nature continue, but I think thats obvious and my example would be either too far fetched or too plausible, giving other people with a lower moral standard another idea.

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    1. Re:Who decides? by bezuwork's+friend · · Score: 4, Insightful
      However, I can guarantee you that if their government sat still and did nothing, only to later on have a massive terrorist attack on their hands, there'd be some serious inquiry as to why there had been no systems in place to gather intelligence to prevent such a thing, or some sort of monitoring to catch the culprits.

      And that's as it should be. That's still not a valid reason to rob us of our civil rights, be them rights enshrined in the Constitution or rights that were not articulated in the Constitution because at the time of the founding of the U.S. there was no concievable threat to them (i.e. the right to not be tracked without a warrant, etc.).

      The world's a dangerous place. I am sure if nothing had been done post-911 and there had been a few more attacks, the chance of falling prey to a terrorist act would still be far lower than that of being in a car accident.

      I'm not saying we should do nothing, but I think that alot of what we are doing has more detriments for us than benefits - their saying it is being done in our benefit doesn't placate me.

      But I also know that the government does this every time there is a crisis of some kind - goes way back to the Sedition Act of 1798 - so I hold out some hope for us.

    2. Re:Who decides? by Eivind · · Score: 4, Insightful
      could mean that violent revolution is justified even with a system that -- on the surface -- seems democratic and fair.

      From the rest of your comment, I assume you're talking of the US system.

      I can assure you that for anyone not born, raised and indoctrinated in the USA your system seems neither particularily democratic, nor fair in the sligthest. Infact it's pretty close to the least fair imaginable system that can still claim to be "democratic"

      I'll give a few examples. There's literally dozens, but Slashdot ain't the rigth venue for a deeper discussion.

      One: If the citizens of say Florida vote (invented numbers) 40% Democrat, 35% Republican, 15% Green, 10% Others, how is it "fair" that the people of Florida then send 27 members of the Electoral College from the Democratic party ? Fair would be to divide the members as the votes are divided. Giving someone with 40% of the votes 100% of the influence is not my idea of "fair".

      Two: If you live in the state above, and are aware of the aproximate likely distribution, how can you vote anything except Democrat/Republican and not have your vote wasted ? The real question, for many of the voters is not "Which party do you prefer?" but instead: "Which of the two large ones do you dislike the least?"

      Third: If you live in a state where it's very very obvious that say the Republicans will win, then you are indeed free to vote for whomever you prefer, since your vote doesn't matter anyway!

      Basically *all* election-systems are more "fair" than the ones you use. Furthermore, your current system favours the two parties currently in power. And the only ones who can (peacefully) change your system are those two parties.

      Thus you've got the fox guarding the henhouse: The only two parties with a fair chance of changing the election-system are the only two parties with no interest whatsoever in doing so, since it'd lead to less influence for themselves.

  4. Re:Big Deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mr. Skippy,

    EYES are one thing. Cameras that record, and software that analyzes are quite another! This combination allows authorities to do all sorts of things that EYES alone cannot, allowing for a much greater potential that this information can be abused.

    I suggest you dial your paranoia up a notch. You seem to have entirely too much faith in the system.

  5. How to block face rec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Make a hat that has eyes painted on the top, the damn thing can't handle two sets of eyes. Two dots that look like eyes may work too and not get you busted so easy.

    Want to know why intersection cameras are everywhere?

    If you are going to track someone you need to aquire them first, probably near where they live, then it's easy to follow them from there because they can only go a few ways from there.

    Now you know why the cameras are in places where there's hardly any traffic, like near homes way out in the boonies.

    The way to get these taken out is to track or let the politicians know that they can be tracked this way, they hate it when we the people can track their bad habits even though they love being able to track ours.

  6. Re:Big Deal by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Yes, it sure would be terrible if someone knew I was walking down a certain street at a certain time. What is the BFD?

    Yes, it is a 'big deal'. Just as with all these vehicle tracking plans...it logs everywhere you go, everything you do, everyone you talk to. And by inference or assumption, what you are doing.

    Logged on someones server, forever.

    5 years from now, J. Random Asshat, whom you just pissed off by beating him out of a promotion, can, for the price of a case or two of beer, ask his idiot cop buddy for your log. Have fun explaining to your (future) wife that, "No dear, I did NOT have sex with that hooker. I was only asking her for directions."

    Everywhere you go, everything you do, everyone you talk to. Forever .

  7. Re:Big Deal by hazem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Consider these scenarios:

    VonSkippy, I'm afraid we have to decline your application for health insurance. We've monitored your travel habits via public cameras and determined that you spend too much time at your local pub. Furthermore, the records from your grocery-rewards cards indicate you purchase foods that are too high in fats and cholestorol.

    VonSkippy, I'm afraid we can't offer you a job. From your the records of the license plate tracking system, we see that you spend a significant amount of time at the republican headquarters. Clearly your political activities are not in alignment with those of this corporation.

    VonSkippy, I'm afraid we must deny your application for a home mortgage. From tracking your cellphone travel, we see that you are often speed to work because you are late and are likely to lose your job or die in a traffic accident. We cannot assume that risk.

    Get the idea? All public information - all things that the casual observer could see. Do you really want it aggregated so it can be used against you?

  8. Re:Big Deal by Aranth+Brainfire · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's less an issue of someone, somewhere, knowing where you are at some time. It's more of an issue of the fact of where you are is in a single stream of data all the time.

    If it's okay to take pictures of people who run red lights with automatic cameras, then it's okay to keep those cameras on at all time, then it's okay to install new cameras all over, then it's okay to track people and flag them for investigation if they deviate from normal patterns, then it's okay to preemptively arrest them if they display patterns normal to people about to commit a crime... are you ready for the knock on the door at two in the morning, announcing the men who say you need to be detained based on information only they can have access to? You might think this is overly paranoid, nothing like this could actually happen. You might also be a fool.

    Something else: this information is obviously insecure. If you're okay with the government knowing all this, are you okay with the local criminal organization(s) knowing all of this? Do you think it's actually possible to perfectly secure any data?

    (by the way, whoever modded parent flamebait is a jerk)

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  9. Re:Black stripe by dangitman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But they aren't physically covering features. It's basically a joke or an artistic statement, depending on how you look at it. They are taking footage from their cameras with the face revealed, and digitally covering the faces with the black stripe. It's a philosophical comment, not a technological one.

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  10. Re:Use the Aliens method. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nod, his point was that enforcement of the law was selective. If he wears a costume and wanders around, the police come a running. But their constant surveillance was not deterring actual crime. The police were choosing which laws to enforce and enforcing social norms instead. Or just gawking at the 'interesting' disturbances.

  11. Re:Well, At Least... by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't get me wrong. It wasn't the hackers that failed to impress me. Good ingenuity on their part.

    It was the security system that the Austrian people probably spent a few hundred thousand tax dollar-equivalents on.

  12. Re:Well, At Least... by ePhil_One · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What they achieved doesn't impress me at all, because it is akin to standing next to the camera and saying: "Hey, I can see what the camera sees".

    The cameras they are protesting is police surveillance cameras, hidden in a public place to monitor the activities of "suspects". They are locating the general area with signal monitors, then tapping into the picture to get an exact fix. So it is significant.

    Now comes the moral question. These cameras seem to be the legal equivalent of a "police stakeout" without the suspicious looking van. Disseminating information on how to locate them is roughly equivalent to spray painting "surveillance van" on all the police vehicles, putting black bars on the faces is perhaps more equivalent to standing infront of the van to block their view. Which brings up the moral questions, and doesn't seem to be useful in accomplishing the hackers claimed goals:

    "It must not be cool anymore to have access to this data," said Rieger, who argued that Western societies are becoming democratically legitimized police states ruled by an unaccountable elite. "We have enough technical knowledge to turn this around; let's expose them in public, publish everything we know about them and let them know how it feels to be under surveillance."

    A simple media campaign would be far more effective.

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