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TiVo Unveils Series3 HDTV DVR

MegaZone writes "TiVo unveiled their new Series3 unit at CES yesterday. The Series3 is a digital cable ready box, capable of recording two programs simultaneously. It supports cable and antenna input, and it can handle digital or analog cable, digital ATSC, or analog NTSC broadcasts. CableCARD is used for digital cable, and it can utilize a single multi-stream card, or two single-stream cards. The system also sports 2 USB ports, 10/100baseT Ethernet, and an E-SATA port for external storage expansion. Video output is HDMI, component, S-Video, and composite, and audio is optical digital or RCA stereo."

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  1. Re:Complete with by LeeRagans · · Score: 4, Informative

    Finally I can get rid of the two piece of garbage Comcast DVRs. I still have to use my old series 2 tivo to guarantee that I can get a show recorded. With 2 comcast DVRs it is crap shoot as to if they actually record. I have been waiting for this.

  2. Re:It's about time! by MegaZone · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually one year ago. The first time they showed a CableCARD box was CES2005. They had a very early prototype running, and at the time they said it would be out in mid-2006. They're still following the same course.

  3. Re:Complete with by heck · · Score: 4, Informative
    Tivo is soooo out of bidnezz. No way can they compete with Comcast, TWC, etc.

    Comcast and TiVo has a deal that starts mid-2006 to market TiVo DVRs to Comcast customers.

    http://news.com.com/TiVo,+Comcast+reach+DVR+deal/2 100-1041_3-5616961.html

  4. Re:Complete with by Octorian · · Score: 4, Informative

    You people just don't realize that the draw of TiVo is really their value-added stuff that even the cable-company DVRs don't have. Also, once you get used to the TiVo, you feel like you're *missing something* on other offerings.

    First, TiVo *just works*, and it works well for everything it is supposed to do. No tweaking required.

    Second, the cable-company DVRs don't support home networking (while MythTV would, of course), and it is very nice to have TiVos in multiple rooms, or be able to play MP3s on TiVo, transfer stuff around, or use other value-added Internet-enabled "stuff" they're constantly adding.

    Third, other options only record "exactly what you tell them to", and nothing more. While this may seem ok, one gets very easily addicted to TiVo's tendency to also record things it thinks you might want to watch (and sometimes do), but havn't explicitly told it to record.

    Oh, and you can also do nifty things like schedule recordings over the internet, and even check the available recording list on your TiVo remotely.

    (Ok, MythTV can do some of these things, but from the demos I saw, it required far too much "tweaking" for me to feel comfortable "trusting" it to always get my shows reliably recorded, and recorded without reruns and such. I actually do also have a MythTV box, but I use it for playing computer-stored video files and running game emulators.)

  5. Re:Great! by MegaZone · · Score: 3, Informative

    TiVo works in Canada now. The service officially added Canadian support several months ago, but the hardware doesn't have a retail presence there yet. You can import a Series2 from the US and subscribe it in Canada no problem.

  6. Re:Ethernet? USB? by Zathrus · · Score: 5, Informative

    t's nice that it has Ethernet, but can you do anything useful with it or will it be heavily DRM'ed?

    With current S2 TiVos you can do quite a bit with the ethernet -- play MP3s, slideshows, get weather/traffic/movie times and tickets/etc (the interface is open and extensible), transfer recordings to a PC and back (PC includes Windows, Mac, and Linux; although for the latter two you probably need to run Galleon), transfer MPEG2 video to the TiVo (and maybe MPEG4/H.264 w/ the Series3? It's not clear yet), and various other stuff.

    As far as the video that's exported goes -- it's in a ".tivo" format which is a loosely containered MPEG2 video. It's completely trivial to strip off the outer layer and get to the real data beneath it. And it looks like the new TiVo Desktop software will even offer transcoding to a number of alternate (DRM'd) formats as well. But really, it's a joke to take off the TiVo DRM, or to just play it from a standard MPEG2 capable video player (it's designed to allow you to do that). Yes, you can play it in mplayer.

    What about the data on the USB disk--is it encrypted or is it readable and usable MPEG files?

    It's SATA, not USB, but that's a minor nit. The data is not in straight MPEG files -- it's on TiVo's proprietary FS. That was figured out long ago. But if you can simply download the stream to your PC, there's little reason to futz around with the drive -- especially since you cannot be assured that the entire video is stored on the external drive (it may be, but it may also cross drives; the article states this).

  7. Re:Requirements and accoutrements by raygundan · · Score: 3, Informative

    They haven't required a landline since Series 2, and all the previous tivo iterations, including the directv model, have included a short remote-control code to enable 30-second skip.

    And to head off the question, yes, even the initial setup on a Series 2 can be done via broadband, but only with *supported* USB ethernet adapters. Wireless can't be enabled until after setup, at least with v3.2. I think v4.0 of the software supports more adapters out-of-the-box, so it depends a little bit on which version you get in the package.

  8. Re:Broadcast flag? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is no broadcast flag (yet).

  9. Re:TiVo is dead by raygundan · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a cablecard box. That was a DirecTV box. You'll note that they are not the same thing.

    That said, it still seems like "mid to late 2006" is a tad late for something like this, although I believe most of their delay trouble has been wrestling with the cablecard standard.

    This box also includes MPEG-4 and WMV support, probably for both downloadable content and futureproofing in case cable companies change codecs away from MPEG-2 as DirecTV has done. That change by DirecTV has obsoleted the HD DirecTivo-- isn't it worth a little extra wait to have one that won't become useless the second your cableco goes MPEG-4?

    This box, and their Comcast partnership, should keep them afloat. (crosses fingers)