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CEV Revolutionary Gimballed Thrusters

simonbp writes "A Tennessee Tech Professor has proposed an innovative gimbal mount for 'inclusion to the design of [NASA's] CEV (Crew Exploration Vehicle), revolutionizing the vehicle's RCS (Reaction Control System) and solar panel orientation capabilities.' This will allow for nimble maneuvering and for the solar cells to maximize power production."

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  1. Gimbal? by iopha · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you're like me and are wondering what the heck a gimbal is, wikipedia has an article. Not being an engineer, I still only have but the fuzziest idea of what's going on here; blame a liberal arts background.

    1. Re:Gimbal? by interiot · · Score: 4, Informative
      Better is wikipedia's Gimbaled thrust and the NASA pages it points to.

      (funny, I was just reading that before coming to slashdot... even better is the semi-related water rocket page.... awesome stuff)

  2. Woops! Video Model. - Working Link. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Sorry! Slashcode diddled the spaces in the URL.

    Here's the working link.

  3. Re:Wow...Old News Is So Exciting! by shmlco · · Score: 2, Informative
    From TFA: "four single RCS thrusters, placed 90 degree apart around the circumference of the service module, with the ability to direct thrust to any direction in a hemispherical motion, replacing - and capable of even more manoeuvres than - the current four groups of four (16 in total) body-fixed thrusters."

    And I'm pretty sure the orginal CSM did not have a gimbled engine. The Saturn did, but with no where near the same range of motion as being discussed here.

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  4. Link to actual animation by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you don't want to plow through all the blogodreck and registration, here's the animation of the Canfield joint (quicktime).

    As a rocket engine gimbal, this doesn't look promising. It's a rather bulky mechanism; the linkage is much larger than the engine bell. It requires fifteen bearings, not including the three motors. The standard solution, a gimbal ring arrangement, only requires four. The bearings also have to handle off-center loads, never a good thing. Bearings in space are headaches; lubrication is tough and temperature changes can jam them.

    The motors are in a weak position from a leverage standpoint; the engine thrust is applied directly to the motor shafts, so they (and their gear trains) must be strong enough to overpower the thruster. In a gimbal ring arrangement, the bearings are usually placed so that the center of thrust is at the center of the gimbal, so that the bearings, not the actuators, take almost all the thrust. Very large engines, like the Space Shuttle and Saturn V main engines, have been successfully gimballed that way.

    The three motors don't seem to add redundancy; it looks like they all have to be working.

    For comparison, here's a simple gimbal from Amadillo Aerospace, Carmack's rocket program.

    In reality, having many fixed reaction thrusters is probably more reliable than have a few steerable ones. Fewer moving parts.

    1. Re:Link to actual animation by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative
      Different animation, and a different version of roughly the same klunky mechanism. Better bearing mounts, though. That one you could actually build.

      The motors seem to be right out of the Maxon catalog, with the planetary gearhead option on one end and the encoder on the other. Those are good motors (we used one to steer our DARPA Grand Challenge vehicle), but they are not rated for spacecraft operation.

      Here's an Aeroflex gimbal that actually is used in space to steer a thruster. Note how the rotational axes go through the line of thrust, and how big and solid the bearing blocks are, compared to the proposed design.

    2. Re:Link to actual animation by Dale+Dunn · · Score: 2, Informative

      The basic mechanism shown is basically the same.

      What I don't like about this idea is that the thrust seems to be carried by the actuators holding their position. Come to think of it, they're using 3 actuators to accomplish 2 degree of freedom motion. Great. Armadillo's gimbal doesn't have these problems, but it does have a very limited range of motion in comparison.

      It's not difficult (I just did it) to imagine a gimbal with the same or better range of motion, loads not significanlty carried by motors, no hoses (rotary seals), and only two actuators. The weakness in my idea is the need for a set of somewhat large diameter bearings. It's just a trunnion on a swivel base.

      What problem is this gimbal supposed to solve in addition to the large range of motion in a space-rated package?

  5. Wikipedia definition way over specialised. by Flying+pig · · Score: 2, Informative

    Gimbals have been around since...well, if you believe Needham, at least the 10th Century AD in China. A gimbal is just a way of mounting something so it can rotate relative to something else while still being attached to it and moving linearly with it, and the main application has been on boats where equipment like lamps and compasses is suspended in mounts so it can swing. http://www.sailgb.com/p/captains_cabin_lamp/ is a picture of a small gimballed lamp. So long as the centre of gravity of the equipment is below the plane of the mount, the boat can rock underneath and the lamp, compass, cooker or whatever will stay more or less upright.
    By using an outer pair of pivots to hold a ring which then has another pair of pivots at 90 degress to which the equipment is attached, you get two axis gimbals which allow for rocking and for pitch, which is important on small boats. It isn't practical to suspend (say) a marine stove from a chain because it would swing all over the place, whereas suspending it from pivots near the top means that the base can swing a bit while the pans stay more or less in the same place.
    So all the stuff in Wikipedia about Euler angles is all very well, but a gimbal is just a way of allowing one thing to be attached to another while being able to rotate in one, two or three dimensions relative to it. There are various designs and obviously the Canfield one is a clever one, but there is nothing mysterious about gimbals themselves.

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  6. Re:What's the symbol? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    How many thimbles full of Kimball's nimble-gymbal symbol would it take to assemble a cymbal-playing gymbal in Fimbul? Simple.