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New Evidence in Historical Cannibalism Debate

An anonymous reader writes "ScienceNOW is reporting that a team of scientists led by Geneticist Jaume Bertranpetit has called into question findings from an earlier study of human prion diseases. The first study, led by John Collinge of University College London, stated that the existence of a gene that codes for prions was a result of a "balancing act" that had kept it in the gene pool for so long. The balancing act was supposedly due to widespread cannibalistic practices in human history. The new report suggests that their results were skewed because of low frequency variations known as 'ascertainment bias.'"

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  1. The other white meat by i_should_be_working · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Few taboos are stronger than cannibalism. It's no surprise then that a study published 2 years ago created quite a stir by claiming that modern humans harbor a genetic signature suggesting our ancestors engaged heavily in the practice.

    I don't see why. Just because something is taboo now doesn't mean it always was. I wouldn't be bothered too much if I found out for certain that my ancestors were cannibals. It's not like that reflects poorly on me or my society. Every culture used to do some weird/nasty/mean things at some point.

    1. Re:The other white meat by zakezuke · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Every culture used to do some weird/nasty/mean things at some point.

      While every culture has things in the past it's done it's not proud of, cannibalism may not be as horrid as it sounds. If for example the society becomes sustainable it would make sence that something would need be done about it. Could be no more than self-sacrifice, some form of lottery, or simply the need to waste nothing. Or it could be one fell on a tribal hunt, the beast got away, and the wish of the fallen comrade was for the tribe to survive the winter. You might think it would be less cruel to for example eject individuals from your tribe for the sake of the whole, you would have to know the conditions of the outside enviroment and their perception of it to judge whether they were being cruel or kind. If we are talking a pre-copper age culture, I think I would rather die at home quickly than being left half eaten beign picked apart by the crows. If we are talking the copper/bronze ages expelsion might have been a kinder solution. At least a person could have some basic armor and a weapon, even a horse. It's silly to put things into moral context when no one needs morality when there isn't enough to eat.

      Cannibalism is a total taboo today, we are wise enough to understand it's not a typicaly healthy habbit. But in it self it's neither evil or immoral. We probally get this belief from those who discovered this age old taboo was simply unhealthy and assumed some sky-god / earth-god was punishing us.

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    2. Re:The other white meat by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People had tools and also hunting weapons way before the bronze age. Those were made of stone and wood, but quite effective.

      The two main advantages of metal tools are weight and durability.

      Stone tools however can be made easily by a single person, while you more or less need 2 people in order to refine ore and melt metal and forge a metal tool using pre-historic technology (try to get the fire hot enough alone, it can be done probably, but it is going to be pretty difficult, and this assumes that the right ore is available to begin with)

      It is pretty easy to make a flint blade that is sharp enough for shaving, while it is pretty difficult to do the same with metal when using pre-historic technology, so effectiveness of stone tools is really not a problem when compared to primitive metal tools.

      if an outcast would be provided with some basic weapon and tools, he might initially be off better during the bronze age, but as soon as his blade gets damaged he'll have to fall back on stone tools anyway, and may well lack the experience to make them efficiently.

      So, in the end I would say that a stone age human may actually have a slightly better chance on survival as an outcast.

    3. Re:The other white meat by burne · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Every culture used to do some weird/nasty/mean things at some point.

      Cannibalism isn't weird/nasty/mean in many cultures. Many cultures have cannibalistic rituals for other reasons. Papuas eat the brain of their elders to keep their wisdom and experience as part of their heritage, just as an example. Others eat brains of defeated enemies to steal their warcraft. No taboo, obviously.
  2. While others in the media will do the opposite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...because they consider the idea of human cannibalism to be "distasteful" (pardon the pun).

    I don't know if cannibalism was as widespread as has been claimed, but I do know that many people will continue to deny that it ever happened, simply because they don't like the ideas of it.

    What next: we are descended from apes? When will tese outrageous and shameful claims ever cease?

  3. Re:National Geographic Article by johansalk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Culinary perversions? Are you saying you never ate brains? Brains are a delicacy in many cultures. Well, not human brains, but lamb and calves' brains and such. The French eat them, the Arabs do too, and many such mediterranean and mideastern cultures. I ate them when i was a kid, they tasted good, though now i wouldn't. Many cultures still preserve their rural traditions from times of ancient scarcity, for example, in England they still eat this thing made of congealed pigs' blood, called black pudding. Now that is something I could never stomach. It's part of that incredibly unhealthy, clot-inducing concoction called a Full English breakfast.

  4. Re:Zork by quokkapox · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'm replying to my own parent modded Troll.

    Yeah, I'm trolling within my own thread. What purpose would that serve? The moderators are on crack.

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  5. It's good to know by ddx+Christ · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It's good to know that research was carried out and the findings were against the first team's concerning cannibalism. If anything, it'll spark a bit of competitive research to further analyze the results and perhaps bring us closer to what the genes and their variations really represent. According to the article, there could be bias present because the first team didn't analyze all 22 variations, which is fairly important in the context of evolution.

    Nevertheless, perhaps we'll see an article in the future to see the conclusion after more comparisons between the two papers and further research. It's an interesting topic, to say the least.

  6. There are no universal taboos. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because taboos are mostly irrational attitudes, the ways each culture chooses to be irrational are different and varied.

    That is not to say that some taboos may not be rooted in some practical fact, but more often than not they are nonsense.

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  7. Cannibalism: because one has to eat? by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 2, Interesting
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_%22Sawney%2 2_Bean for a infamous man-eating family. Just FYI.

    By the by sometime poeple ate people for because otherwise their diet would lack proteins and other important nutrients, ancient American tribes for instance (think Aztecs, Toltecs or Maya's)

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  8. Re:Zork by Edward+Kmett · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Infocom managed to implement it to run in such tight memory constraints because they designed all their games to run in a virtual machine (the Z-machine), and provided it with the ability to page in and out sectors of data from disk. They then compiled the code from a high level language Lisp-ish language on a nice big mainframe, and only had to code directly on the various microcomputer platforms enough code to run the virtual machine. Thats why Infocom games can consistently across so many platforms, despite widely varying architectures and space contraints.

    They didn't view themselves as having 64k to work with which in the C-64 case they had to share with 16k of roms and a display buffer, etc. They viewed themselves as simply paging data out of a much larger virtual machine. Even Zork 1 images weigh in between 94k and 123k IIRC. Some later Z-machine images were considerable larger.

    This is also why all those silly little 'write your own Zork in BASIC' games that people published in Compute's Gazette, etc. never were as cool as Zork. They just didn't have the architecture to scale that well.

    Yes, this is off-topic.

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  9. I am not surprised at all by surfingmarmot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Given the fact that some of our distant relations, e.g. Chimpanzees, still kill and eat humans if they can, it doesn't surprise me that early humans might have done this as well. It probably was never a food of choice but was a 'meal of opportunity' so to speak. In addition, there could also be another reason behind the cannabalism: ritual. Many primitive cultures had rituals in which they eat animal parts in order to obtain some of that animal's powers and it isn't much of a stretch to assume ritualized cannabalism of vanquished enemies was practiced as well by early humans. We certainly know men have been killing each other for a long, long time and show no signs of developing a distaste for it (no pun intended). Even today, some Asians consume tiger genitalia and other animal parts for certain perceived benefits which probably has an origin in those rituals. The patterns seem clear enough, but it isn't very politically correct in the most religious of industrialized nations to point out man's animal orgins so I expect significant resources will be brought to bear to dissprove this even if fabrication is necessary.

  10. Cannibalism as a pretext for slavery by mangu · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There was a theological argument that cannibals had no souls. The reasoning went like this: since on Judgement Day everyone will arise from their graves, their body parts which have decomposed will come together again. Since cannibals' body parts come from other peoples' bodies, they won't be able to reconstitute their own bodies. Therefore, cannibals don't have souls, because they can't ressurect on Judgement Day.


    Enslaving people with no souls cannot possibly be a sin, can it? Therefore there existed an incentive to find all sorts of evidence of cannibalism among tribes in distant lands.