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OpenVZ Pushing for Linux Kernel Inclusion

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on from the affront-to-real-partitions-everywhere dept.

RomanianClimber writes to tell us News.com is reporting that SWSoft is trying to get OpenVZ into the Linux kernel. OpenVZ is an operating system level server virtualization solution, built on Linux. From the article: "In this, it has a major ally: Red Hat, the top seller of the open-source operating system, which plans to add the software to its free Fedora version of Linux for enthusiasts. The companies' move to make OpenVZ partitioning standard in Linux is timely, said Pund-IT analyst Charles King."

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  1. Why is this needed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can compile anything you want into the kernel.

    If this becomes part of the official kernel, then it becomes the kernel maintainer's problem.

    If Red Hat comiles it into their distro's kernel, it is Red Hat's problem to maintain.

    So if I were the kernel maintainer, I would need a very compelling reason to take on the extra work.

    1. Re:Why is this needed? by m50d · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The kernel maintainers have as policy that they won't give you a stable source interface, if you want your driver to work well you should get it into the kernel (See Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt). That's fair enough, but a policy like that gives them a responsibility to accept things into the kernel.

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  2. Anyone worried? by paulius_g · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now, I've seen SW-Soft at work numerous reasons and I don't quite agree with their principles of development. Just check out their forums, they have an awesome community of people asking features in their higer end products and they never want to implement those. Instead, they're creating some kinds of "solution" to allow "lower TCO" and "easier management", at an extra cost of course. I've used their software, and it's quite buggy.

    Now, Virtuozzo is one of their most awesome products, but I still don't feel right about having a company control over a piece of software embedded into a kernel. I have a chilly feeling about what they might do next and about what they're actually gaining by enabling this.

    Just my two cents, I'm sure I'll get many replies of people disagreeing.

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    1. Re:Anyone worried? by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I still don't feel right about having a company control over a piece of software embedded into a kernel.

      If Linus merges it into his tree, then how are they the ones that control it? If Redhat merge it into their tree, then how are they the ones that control it?

      The whole point of Free Software is that the user is the one in control, not whoever happens to hold the copyright.

      You do realise that other companies have lots of code in the kernel already, don't you? This is by no means the first company to push to have their code included in the kernel. SGI contributed XFS. IBM contributed JFS. Namesys contributed ReiserFS and are currently pushing to have Reiser4 included.

      I have a chilly feeling about what they might do next and about what they're actually gaining by enabling this.

      Some pretty decent reasons for this off the top of my head are:

      1. They have less maintenance work to do (no updates every time a new kernel comes out).
      2. Less hassle for their users.
      3. More testers/bugfixers.
      4. They gain positive publicity.

      Why the FUD?

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  3. Hardware support? by Visaris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Both Intel and AMD are releasing CPUs which support OS partitioning in hardware this year (2006). Does the OpenVZ project support or have plans to support these hardware features?

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  4. Re:Xen by sakielnorn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Or am i missing something and are OpenVZ and Xen very different products? (doesn't sound like it) Upside of Xen seems to be the ability to run *bsd and other OS's in guest domains too, no mention of this in OpenVZ

    Essentially, Xen creates a new kernel for each virtual machine instance (or dom-u), while OpenVZ appears to use the same kernel instance for each virtual server. The latter approach seems to have benefits for performance and scalability, but if you discover a kernel bug in an OpenVZ server, all other instances are immediately susceptible, whereas with Xen, only the dom-u you are in is exploited (though if all instances are running the same kernel, you're up the creek). You'd generally need to be able to exploit the dom0 in order to affect all dom-u's.

    Obviously, you're right about Xen supporting multiple OSes per instantiation versus OpenVZ.