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Lab Created Black Hole?
Blarrrg writes "Humans may have created the first ever black hole in a lab. From the article: 'When the gold nuclei smash into each other they are broken down into particles called quarks and gluons. These form a ball of plasma about 300 times hotter than the surface of the Sun. This fireball, which lasts just 10 million, billion, billionths of a second, can be detected because it absorbs jets of particles produced by the beam collisions.'"
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How about instead of the beeb we get some papers?
s ,grp_math,grp_nlin/1/all:+AND+Nastase"+"Horatiu/0/ 1/0/all/0/1
http://arxiv.org/find/grp_q-bio,grp_cs,grp_physic
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Not all are directly related to the article, but a few are.
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So, it lasts 10, 000,000, 000,000,000 / 1,000,000,000 = 10, 000,000 or 10 million seconds, or (lessee, carry the one...) almost 116 days?
You know, scientific notation was created for a reason.
These form a ball of plasma about 300 times hotter than the surface of the Sun.
According to The Physics Factbook the temperature of the surface of the sun is approximately 6000 C. (I am assuming that it is the photosphere temperature that is ment here.) A temperature 300 times higher would be about 1.8 million C which is an order of magnitude less than the temperature at the center of the sun (~15 million C). I would have thought that these collions would have resulted in temperatures much higher than that.
Does anyone have a better reference for the effective temperature involved?
And the knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them...
This isn't the sort of experiment that I want to see go out of control...
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A friend of mine (a nuclear physicist) worked on a similar project at CERN (IIRC). At the time there were some (mostly unfounded) worries that the produced black holes would be a danger to man kind (they're not, as the article says they evaporate so quickly you hardly get to detect them.) Anyway, he said that if everything goes to hell, he planned to enter the afterlife wearing a t-shirt saying "I DID IT!" :-)
AFAIK, there's a strong dispute over whether this is really a black hole. The most plausible explanation against black holes at RHIC is that you get similar effects (rapid thermalization) from the high acceleration only, and gravity is not needed. Google for 'Unruh effect' for more.
The interesting/important bit about these heavy ion collision experiments is the creation of quark-gluon plasma, which resembles matter at the very early stages of our universe.
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/.-ers may be interested in this article by Max Tegmark and Nick Bostrom which discusses various possibilities for doomsday (including formation of black-holes in HEP experiments). The gist of it is that we shouldn't become complacent about such events just because they haven't happened yet -- rather the fact that we observe that the Earth/Solar-System/Galaxy/Universe has existed so long is simply an observational effect.
It's not really a 'black hole', more of a 'singularity'. IANAPhysicist, but in my opinion a black hole actually lasts long enough to trap at least one photon (hence the word 'black'). During the 1E-25 seconds this singularity was around, a photon moving at a nice round 3E8 m/s has the opportunity to move about 0.0000003 Angstroms. 1 Angstrom is the width of a hydrogen atom. This kind of makes me wonder how fast the "jets of particles" are moving that are absorbed. Is it more that they just didn't appear when expected so were assumed absorbed?
so in a couple of years i could have one of these things in the bottom of my trash can and never take out the trash again? yeah science!
i don't care
>> Humans may have created the first ever black hole in a lab.
That's nothin'. Three years ago my PHB created a black hole in his office. He calls it a desk, but everyone else knows better.
No, I think (s)he is saying that it's old news. As in nearly a year old.
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First off, this is a dupe from a Slashdot story earlier this year, though I didn't turn it up. Second, as was pointed out in that thread, this isn't a black hole. The paper concerns a dual black hole. Without going into the mathematical details, a "dual black hole" is something that doesn't behave like a black hole, but whose behavior can be mapped into a mathematical "dual space" in which it does behave like a black hole, so that we can use the mathematics of black holes to describe the non-black hole behavior of the actual phenomenon.