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Maker of Postal Responds to Thompson

eToyChest is reporting on a response that Running With Scissors (the makers of the ultraviolent game Postal) has released in response to Jack Thompson's latest rantings. From the article: "There are no missions based on slaughtering innocent bystanders. You play in a detailed environment and are given simple tasks such as buying milk and cashing a paycheck. As in the real world, the player may find weapons in that environment if they seek them. And, just as in the real world, the choice of what to do with those weapons is yours. Misuse results in severe consequences, in Postal you're always held accountable. In our opinion that makes Postal 2 the most politically correct game ever made."

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  1. I'm curious... by Dutchmaan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why make a game that simulates real life?? What's the point?

    Even in games like the Sims the appeal is doing something that you wouldn't normally do.

    Where is the enjoyment in doing what you would very well be doing while not in front of the computer?

    1. Re:I'm curious... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why make a game that simulates real life?? What's the point?

      Reset button

    2. Re:I'm curious... by HTL2001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      not quite the topic, but you are exactly right, people use these simulators to do things they wouldn't do in real life. Hear that Thompson?? NOT do in real life.

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    3. Re:I'm curious... by fishybell · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, yes I do.

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    4. Re:I'm curious... by snuf23 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes. For example, in real life you always have the option (bladder willing) of peeing on a police officer. Now most of us, most of the time would not choose to whip out the snake and hose the old pig down. Postal however lets us realize this fantasy. It also simulates the amazing beat down that you would likely receive in real life when wielding actual pee against an actual agent of law enforcement. Thus the simulation, while providing "release" and fantasy, reinforces the consequences of urinating on our fine, upstanding defenders of justice.

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    5. Re:I'm curious... by Meagermanx · · Score: 3, Funny

      If we were in a video game I would shoot you.

  2. This one time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    There was, like, this one time, I heard from a friend, that, y'know, Jack Thompson? He found this puppy. And, like, it was a BAD puppy. Because it was looking at an electronics store. I think it was Walmart. But that would mean the puppy was inside the Walmart. Which isn't too likely, since they don't allow pets. Maybe it was Game Stop. But the puppy? He was totally looking at video games. And then Jack Thompson? He was all walking past. And he saw the puppy looking at the video games! And he was all like "Hey! That's an evil puppy! Damn you, evil puppy!" So he took the puppy that was looking at video games, y'know, and guess what he did! He put a Gameboy in it's butt. Yup. I heard it from Jeremy from Mrs. Randolph's class. His brother worked at the store, so he saw it all happen. And then Jack Thompson sued the Game Stop. Because they let puppies look at their store and be corrupted by the evil within. The puppy didn't like having a Gameboy in it's butt, though. So he bit Jack Thompson. But Jack Thompson is like super BFF (that's Best Friends Forever) with God because he always goes out of his way to tell it like it is about video games, so God turned the puppy into a worm. But the Gameboy was still in it's butt and a Gameboy is like 5000% bigger than a worm, the puppy-cum-worm totally exploded and got worm goo on Jack Thompson's shoes, so Jack Thompson was all like "Thanks God, got me again!" And they shared a good laugh together before strolling away into the sunset.

    And that's what happened.

  3. Brilliant by Morinaga · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I love the logic used here to backhand Thompson at his own game. Use progressional logic until you've come to the far reaching conclusion that Postal 2 is the "most politically correct game every made". Absolutely brilliant.

    This is a refreshing change from the Hollensworth/id answer dressed in legalese. Why not address Thompson with the same level of ridiculous logic he uses himself.

    1. Re:Brilliant by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Use progressional logic until you've come to the far reaching conclusion that Postal 2 is the "most politically correct game every made". Absolutely brilliant."

      Not that ridiculous when you think about it. Even Mario usually resorts to violence. There are childrens' games where the option of violence is not available, of course, but it seems to have more moral value if the player instead chooses to avoid violent action of their own volition.

    2. Re:Brilliant by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      And significantly, there are parts of mario (boss fights) in which you absolutely must defeat the boss to proceed. Postal doesn't force you to kill anyone (although I got pretty annoyed with trying not to kill people.)

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  4. You play in a detailed environment... by Panaphonix · · Score: 5, Funny

    "You play in a detailed environment and are given simple tasks such as buying milk and cashing a paycheck."

    WTF? I thought I bought Postal, not the f'ing Sims! Why, I'm so mad i'll...

  5. Hate Mcdonalds? Sue a cow! by spyrochaete · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Vince Desi is absolutely correct. What made Postal 2 great was the simple fact that you were presented with everyday activities (get the mail, buy groceries, vote in an election) and could handle those activities in whatever way you chose. It wasn't easy to complete those objectives without resorting to violence, but it was absolutely possible. Postal 2 is a ridiculous caricature of a town where everyone has a chip on their shoulder. It's no exaggeration when Desi says this is the most politically correct game ever made - considering the disposition of rest of the population it's not hard to play as the biggest pacifist in town!

    Why does Thompson decry simulated murder but not actual murder? It's like suing the creator of Monopoly for being responsible for Walmart. I can't wait until someone sues this ambulance chaser for belittling the death of a loved one by equating it with a game.

  6. Postal 2 by danpsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If every game was good clean christian fun, the majority of the base for these games would simply move onto another form of entertainment or make their own games.

    Just as people sometimes like the bad guy in movies, they like to do the bad thing in an environment where the reprocussions aren't as awful. However, for most people this only lasts a few minutes before they realize that even in the game they can't run around slaughtering people because the game has reprocussions, and doing these things just for the fun of "seeing what happens" grows tiring quickly. Especially when you are being shot by cops every two seconds.

    As far as Thompson goes, the guy is clearly a lunatic. The Sims does its best to be good clean family fun, forgoing alcohol and actual sex in its games pretty much altogether, but he even attacked that anyway. The guy has clearly just stuck to an issue where he seems to get an audience here.

    Consenting adults should be able to avoid any type of entertainment they want in the privacy of their own home. If you want to ID kids that are buying these games, fine, but let's not get off the issue of free speech here and become ridiculous and encourage censorship.

    This reminds me of the first years of "gangster rap." People who simply do not understand a type of entertainment get all irritated by people who understand and get enjoyment and meaning out of such entertainment. They seem to be even more irritated when the entertainment contains "potty mouth words" or god forbid sex and violence. Vote with your dollar folks.

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  7. Re:Sorry, JT is busy at the moment... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The weapon that proves the video game connection beyond a doubt? Baseball bats, a Rockstar Games exclusive weapon!

    You know, there is a small point there. With so many baseball bats around, there should at least be a baseball park where you can play a minigame. Nice, wholesome American sport, too, even if you are racing around the diamond in a stolen cement truck. And it might get them more penetration into the Japanese market.

    "Pinch hitting for Pedro Borbon... Tommy Vercetti... Vercetti... Vercetti."

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  8. Question for Running With Scissors... by fujiman · · Score: 2, Interesting
    So... if the game takes a "neutral" stance on violence, I wonder how many development hours were spent on urination, immolation, and battery vs. charity,commerce,and altruism. If Postal provides the same level of reward and gameplay experience in both cases, then yes, RWS can make that claim.

    As anyone who played the game knows, the game only rewards violent unsocial behavior (social behavior is allowed, simply not rewarded). This is absolutely fine, because that is what their customers want.

    I just have a problem with a disingenuous developer pretending their software is something it isn't. I'm all for freedom of expression in any media, just be honest about what you're expressing.