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Reducing Crime Through Gameplay

Via Kotaku, a piece on Spong that sees games being put to good use in a social context. Edinburgh, Scotland police officers are using weekly PlayStation 2 tournaments with troubled youths as a way to bridge the gap between law enforcement and folks that (under less auspicious circumstances) they might have confrontations with. From the article: "The tournaments so far have been between members of the local Police Youth Action Team and a group of around 30 youths who are known regular offenders. Since the initiative started it seems to have had the effect of cutting crime in the locality quite dramatically. Officers dealt with 92 complaints in the month before the competition but only 53 while it was running. Ninety-three calls were received during the same period last year."

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  1. Jack Thompson's head just exploded by Universal+Nerd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The subject says it all...

    I really don't understand all the hatemongering about games, are people SO worried about "everybody elses's kids" that they ignore that teaching moral and ethics is the parents job?

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    1. Re:Jack Thompson's head just exploded by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I really don't understand all the hatemongering about games

      Games represent change. Some people don't like change. Games also offer a convienient scapegoat fro scoiety's ills, rather than placing the balme on the overall structure of that society.

      Also, the game industry doesn't do itself any favours by abusing sterotype to sell its product, but this could be said of any industry.

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  2. Won't somebody think of the good kids? by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whilst it's certainly great that such effort can help reduce youth crime, this program is part of a larger group of similar programs which is kind of starting to irritate me as a whole.

    The main concern here is not the result of these programs, but rather the idea that a lot of society's money is being spent on the "bad apples"; the criminal youth is in a way being rewarded for their past behaviour by giving them all kinds of stuff.

    It might just be nice, for a change, to organize something fun like this for the youth who actually haven't done anything criminal in their previous years; reward the good guys for a change.

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    1. Re:Won't somebody think of the good kids? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      I would hope that overall this is actually saving society money, by reducing damage from crime and the amount of police and court time spent dealing with it.

    2. Re:Won't somebody think of the good kids? by InsaneLampshade · · Score: 1

      But there's an even better solution:

      Kick them out of the country, and let someone else deal with them...... if anyone complains, kick them out too!

    3. Re:Won't somebody think of the good kids? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      Didn't we try that one already? Damn convicts got ideas above their station and formed their own country :-)

    4. Re:Won't somebody think of the good kids? by cheaphomemadeacid · · Score: 0

      Here in norway it is IMPOSSIBLE to get funding for ANY kind of youth activity unless its against drugs, against alcohol, against crime, against eating little puppies, and so on... enough said.

    5. Re:Won't somebody think of the good kids? by Ibix · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It might just be nice, for a change, to organize something fun like this for the youth who actually haven't done anything criminal in their previous years; reward the good guys for a change.

      The point here is not to reward bad behaviour, but to encourage the interaction of the kids with the cops. It's harder for the kids to see the cops as faceless oppressors when they've met them as people.

      This is standard "wooly liberal" thinking. Engage with people, don't beat them over the head[1]. I'm always glad to see people practicing it: being a "wooly liberal" myself, I think it's a great strategy. I hope they're keeping careful track of it's results, because I'd like hard evidence to test the theory.

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      [1] Except when you're out of rail-gun ammo, of course... ;)

    6. Re:Won't somebody think of the good kids? by aralin · · Score: 1
      Well, likely the kids just took some time off, which they see as an investment into the ability to recognize good cop, bad cop on the street so they can later avoid the ones that have too high frag rate :) I would like to see the stats on police effectiveness in the year following this competition.

      These kids have usually poor education and all of them have a record of several transgressions or crimes, they have nothing or very little to lose in their lives and that is exactly how they are going to run their lives. If you make friends among cops you only run higher chance of a cop being close by when you do something woolheaded. Wooly liberal is fine and all, but as long as this society breeds so many "have not"s its no wonder there are people who live like they've got nothing to lose.

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    7. Re:Won't somebody think of the good kids? by Ibix · · Score: 1

      I realise your first comment was made in jest, but I'll note for the record that "normal" police in the UK do not carry guns.

      These kids have usually poor education and all of them have a record of several transgressions or crimes, they have nothing or very little to lose in their lives and that is exactly how they are going to run their lives.

      Exactly. The argument goes that if you build relationships between "them and us", then they have something to lose - those relationships. That gives "us" some leverage which we didn't have before. It's not a lot, but it's more than nothing...

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  3. Expect crime rate rise soon. by Vo0k · · Score: 1

    As soon as this gets popular, more kids will start commiting crimes on regular basis, just to be allowed to participate in the tournament :)

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  4. Makes sense. by KingJackaL · · Score: 1

    I know the Police here often have Rugby games with the local Motorcycle gangs for similar reasons. Computer games are a natural progression now they're played as much as more traditional sports.

    After all, it's hard to commit felonies and pwnz the local copper at the same time - unless the trash talking counts...

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  5. All child gamers need is this sort of guidance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    [The following was my respose on Kotaku. I can't register on this site as /. won't seem to let me...]

    You would think that Edinburgh being home to Rockstar North, developer of the Grand Theft Auto series, that this would cause an uproar equal or similar to the negative reaction found all over the world. This is not the case though.

    Our local media concentrates more on the economical benefits of Scotland's gaming industy which of course owes most of its' success to Rockstar and GTA.

    As with the rest of the UK, every GTA game released here has been illegal for those under 18 years of age to purchase and similarly, it has always been an offence for retailers to knowingly supply the game to minor. What the police forces across Central Scotland have realised though is that kids don't play GTA because it's a violent game and they want to 'learn' how to misbehave or anything like that. They understand that kids want to play GTA because it's a good game!

    I think anything that occupies kids outwith of school hours is an excellent idea and this just one example of the good work the police does for Scotland's youth. What's more, the organised gaming mentioned here includes a nice mix of popular titles, which is better still.

    So hopefully the good work continues in convincing people that games are not a danger to children as long as responsible supervision and guidence is provided. And maybe one day, we'll see Grand Theft Auto: Edinburgh!

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  6. Re:"good kids" already have playstations by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    how would you go about organizing such a thing? "It's double tokens night next thursday at the arcade! Don't forget to submit for a background check before the cutoff date!"

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  7. results can be improved by... by perrin5 · · Score: 1

    Adding other activities to this program. This may destroy my geekdom, but not all kids like video games. In fact, a number of them probably think they are "teh Ghey", and would rather be out impressing thier friends.

    Now that they have a valid starting point for gathering kids around a singular area, what about incorporating other options, like sports, or refitting abandoned cars, or something.

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  8. The games are less important by Wubby · · Score: 1

    I would think that the games provide a good excuse for these kids to interact with the authority figures in a social way, rather than the way they normally do, adversarially. It's not so much the games that lower their chances of commiting further crime, but the way they now know and feel about the police.

    They likely get to know them on a personal basis. When faced with a choice to commit a crime and disappointing that "cool cop I fragged with last week" or walking away and doing something else, they choose the latter. It could likely work with any activity that could be interesting to a kids: building rockets, playing sports, working on cars.

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  9. nah... by thepotoo · · Score: 1

    Kids who don't commit crimes probably already have friends to play games with. They don't need police officers to frag.
    The kids in TFA are probably lonely (that's one of the big causes for gang involvement), and they need an outlet.

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    1. Re:nah... by hab136 · · Score: 1
      Kids who don't commit crimes probably already have friends to play games with. They don't need police officers to frag.
      The kids in TFA are probably lonely (that's one of the big causes for gang involvement), and they need an outlet.

      "Idle hands are the devil's work". Surprise: giving kids something to do keeps them from coming up with things to do (crimes).

  10. Effect over time? by Miraba · · Score: 1

    While I'm intrigued by the 50% drop, I can't help but wonder whether the number will remain stable over time. Right now the tournament is a welcome change, but what happens when people start tiring of it? It will probably be necessary to add new games and activities in order to keep the interest of the kids over a longer period of time.

  11. ambiguous wording by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 1
    Officers dealt with 92 complaints in the month before the competition but only 53 while it was running.

    haha, yeah, they were too busy playing videogames to respond.

  12. Hmmm by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    Hmm...

    1. Take a bunch of violent and troublesome teens who have a lack of respect for authority.
    2. Have them engage in a highly competitive video game tournament against other teens with similar issues that would in no way cause increased levels of aggression.
    3.? ? ?
    4. Hilarity ensues...err...PROFIT!!!

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    1. Re:Hmmm by admanb · · Score: 1

      1. They're violent because they're bored. They have a lack of respect for authority because they have no authority to respect. Do you think these are kids with two responsible, caring parents at home?

      2. They're interacting with both authority figures (the police) and equals (other kids) in a way that promotes healthy competition with no need to carry it outside. Also, none of the video games they're listed as playing are violent games.

      3. The kids develop respect for the police, and friendly rivalries with their equals.

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    2. Re:Hmmm by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      How do you know they're violent because they're bored? If they didn't grow up with two responsible, caring parents at home, what makes you think they won't have violent tendencies for reasons OTHER than being bored?

      For most people, there would be no need to carry it outside, but even in tournaments against friends or professional athletes...there's ALWAYS the chance for it to turn ugly.

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  13. Would be great in US cities by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    Increasing the interaction between police and troublesome teenagers in a way that doesn't involve getting searched for weapons is a Good Thing. In the US, there's a huge mistrust of police* in less affluent communities, and this sort of community policing could help educate a generation of kids to be less distrustful of the police. Hopefully, that would help to break part of the parent-to-child chain of low education, criminal activity, and other negative factors which keep poor families poor.

    * I realize there are bad apples among police, but most of them are just folks doing their jobs and hoping to make a positive impact on the community.

  14. next up: reducing crime through sedatives by FlippyTheSkillsaw · · Score: 1

    They are surprisingly easy to compare: drugs and games (or even television)

  15. Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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