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iPod May Become Next Fair-Use Battleground

jaredmauch writes "USA Today is reporting on a trend of selling iPods on eBay which are preloaded with music and movies. This raises interesting questions about the legality of the files, including those that offer seemingly legitimate services of transcoding DVDs for the iPod video (while selling you the DVD disc as well)." An example from the article: "A 60-gigabyte video iPod loaded with 11,800 songs, with a starting bid of $799. The iPod alone would cost about $400. 'I don't see how it's different than selling a used CD,' seller Steve Brinn, a Cincinnati pediatrician, wrote in an e-mail to USA TODAY. 'If the music industry asked me not to do it, I just wouldn't do it.'"

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  1. Bullshit, Bullshit, and more Bullshit by gbulmash · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The sellers are using the same argument many software spammers use. "We're not selling you the software. You should already own the software. We're just selling you a backup copy... wink, wink."

    The same reasoning could be used... "I wasn't selling him cocaine illegally. I was filling his prescription for cocaine. No, I didn't check to see if he had one. I made it clear that if he didn't have a prescription, he shouldn't buy the cocaine from me."

    Think the cocaine argument would fly in court? Then why would the fair use argument these pirates are trying stand up? It just doesn't hold water for me.

    - Greg

  2. could be legal by stoanhart · · Score: 5, Informative

    If he had purchased all those songs legally, and eliminated all of his own copies upon selling the iPod, it should be legal.

  3. One guy is selling one with the 3 Matrix movies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...for a 25% discount compared to an empty iPod.

  4. distinction... by ecklesweb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think there's a critical distinction to make before you can decide if it's legal or not:

    Is this someone selling many of these iPods, making many copies of digital songs when they don't have permission to? That would seem pretty clear-cut illegal.

    Or

    Is this someone selling their iPod and the only copy they have of the songs, which they acquired legally. How can that possible be illegal?

    In the case of the article, it's clearly someone running a business with pirated music. But, if I wanted to sell my loaded iPod and don't have copies of the music elsewhere, is there really a law on the books that stops me?

    I also think the question at the end of the article is apropos: If you own a DVD, can you legally put the movie on your iPod at all given DMCA restrictions?

  5. Used Music No More by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone notice that, in about ten years or so, when almost all our music is digital, the used music market will start to drop off? Eventually, as long as we don't create another audio-featuring medium, no one will be able to buy any used music from anyone.

  6. eBay won't let it be... by altheusthethief · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quite simply, selling a backup of any medium on eBay is strictly prohibited. A good example of where this enforced, is when a vinyl is sold with a CD-R copy of the record.

    Given the fact that you can't buy movies on iTunes yet, this is a no-brainer. Even if the iPod were sold with original copies of the CD, it's still a breach, and as such can't be sold.

    The real interesting point here is whether or not eBay is open to the sale of "used" MP3s, and how in fact the ownership of these items can be transferred if at all.

    Currently MP3/AVI/MP4 are all considered to be backup mediums, and as such are removed for Unauthorised Copies.

  7. Re:Meaningless by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Informative
    From TFA:
    A "brand new" 60-gigabyte video iPod loaded with 10,000 songs plus more than 50 movies and TV shows, including the three Matrix movies and the first four seasons of 24. In the listing, the seller says the buyer "must already own all of the music and DVDs. ... If not, they must delete them as soon as they receive it in the mail." The item sold for $551 on Monday.


    You were saying? Sure not *far above* market value, but still.
    --
    Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
  8. Re:Modify the article title... by slowbad · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Everything makes perfect sense once you repeat to yourself, "DRM is not there for my benefit"

    Spend five minutes in a Cingular wireless store and you will see what the average person thinks
    when they aren't able to transfer previously purchased ringtones or games to their new phones.