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Sweden To Be Oil-Free By 2020

Philoneist.com writes "Treehugger is reporting that the 'Minister for Sustainable Development Mona Sahlin has declared that Sweden is going to become the first country in the world to break the dependence on fossil energy.'" Sweden's hope is to have all of the country's energy supplied by only renewable resources, ridding the country of cars that run on gasoline and oil-heated homes.

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  1. So.... by brunes69 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... how tough is the immigration process?

  2. Not just Sweden by little1973 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The whole world will be oil free by 2020, because oil will be too expensive to use as a fuel. Do not forget, the peak is near.

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    1. Re:Not just Sweden by pla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The whole world will be oil free by 2020, because oil will be too expensive to use as a fuel. Do not forget, the peak is near.

      Although we may not have passed peak production yet, if you take price-to-extract and new reserve discovery rates into consideration, we passed peak a few years ago.

      However! I too used to worry about peak oil, until I learned to stop worrying and love the methane hydrate ice.

      You've probably heard of it, but don't realize just how much the planet has... Seriously on the order of 20x the world's total oil reserves, in terms of energy capacity.

      On the down side, current estimates put the breakeven price of extraction at around $90 per-barrel-equivalent. So it won't let us keep driving cheap-fuel-sucking SUVs forever (Then again, I consider that a good thing*), but we don't need to worry about the global economy collapsing overnight due to literally running out of gas.



      * - I've said for years that as the single best thing the US could do for the planet, tax the hell out of fuel oil (though possibly not heating oil, but that gets into a regulatory nightmare considering that you can use diesel and #2 interchangeably, sulfur emmissions aside) to put it at over $10/gallon. Not only would the extra tax revenue allow reducing other taxes, but people would have a strong financial incentive to drive less, carpool more, and buy more efficient vehicles.

    2. Re:Not just Sweden by nativequeue · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > However! I too used to worry about peak oil, until I learned to stop worrying and love the methane hydrate ice.

      I like the methan hydrate where it is, deep down at ocean floors. We better not dig that up and disperse it in our environment.

      > I've said for years that as the single best thing the US could do for the planet, tax the hell out of fuel oil

      Most EU countries are already doing this. Thats why diesel fuel used for heating homes is colored, its not taxed the same way as diesel for automobiles is.

    3. Re:Not just Sweden by Noryungi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Whether Peak Oil will happen in 2020 (or sooner/or later) does not mean Oil will disappear overnight. What will happen is what happened in the 1970s: an "Oil Shock".

      An Oil Shock, in turn, means there will be tremendous economic problems to be solved, but it does not mean the End of the World. I suspect a lot of people will adapt to the new circumstances. They won't like it, but they will adapt, because this is what humans do best.

      In the worst possible case, I think governments will strongly intervene -- they will have to -- to guarantee (and subsidize) oil supplies to the most crucial consumers (food producers, electricity producers, emergency responders, armed forces) while the rest of us will have to use mass transportation and convert ASAP to a regimen of energy efficiency and renewable energy.

      That really sucks if you live in a country with poor mass transportation like, uh... 90% of the United States. It's going to be mostly OK in many European countries, where mass transportation (including high-speed trains) is already a fact of life and renewable energies are being increasingly adopted. I am not saying it will be a walk in the park, because it won't be, but most wealthy countries consume too much energy and waste so much of it.

      Other things that will be very dodgy will be the survival of airlines and of most cargo ships. But, even there, there are solutions: blimps, for instance, are much more efficient than airplanes energy-wise, and can cross the Atlantic in a couple of days at most. Clipper ships, that are powered by wind, the ultimate renewable energy, can be brought back from the dead and maintain vital commercial links between continents. I also strongly suspect that nuclear-powered giant cargoes will be used in the near future, if Peak Oil becomes a reality.

      Sure, these are slow methods of transcontinental transportation, but it's better than no transportation at all.

      And, of course, it is a lot more efficient to organize teleconferences and email links than it is to send people from one end of the world to the other anyway.

      Finally, don't forget that an Oil Shock will make all other sources of energy economically viable. Wind, Solar, Sea Tides, Geothermal, etc. will all become competitive once the price of Oil goes through the roof. And that's a good thing as far as I am concerned, since Oil consumption is also one of the major reasons Global Warming is taking place...

      For more information on this, I do recommend the many documents published by the Rocky Mountain Institute, including "Winning the Oil End Game". Recommended readings before you start to panic.

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    4. Re:Not just Sweden by chrismcdirty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would love to have a new car that is much better with fuel and better for the environment. But the fact of the matter is, I can barely afford to pay for my used car and rent, bills, etc.

      Your refund is an intriguing idea, but don't most places charge you your heating costs monthly? And don't most places charge heat, water, electricity, and other utilities monthly? It would make month-to-month living much harder for the lower and middle classes, especially on their first year of being independent, since they wouldn't be eligible for this credit until (I would assume) they were a head-of-household.

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    5. Re:Not just Sweden by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um I'll argue at least one point (& ignore whether the US is larger than the whole of Europe):

      Sprawl (ie Los Angeles)
      Looking at it objectively LA could have eficient mass transportation. Tokyo is very similiar in alot of ways to the layout of LA, yet Tokyo has (arguably) one of the most efficient mass transport systems in the world. Even the distance to other large cities is very similiar.

      The problem is how late the system is compared to development of the areas. Tokyo has gorwn around a mass transit system. LA has never had a real mass transit system and is already developed. Developing one now would require ripping up large chunks of neighborhoods to build a fresh system. Few people want to be force out of their homes and businesses.

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    6. Re:Not just Sweden by svtmunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Methane hydrate ice is not a good idea - when released in the atmosphere in large quantities in the past, it wiped out most of the life on earth at the time... check out this article at Wikipedia for more info...

    7. Re:Not just Sweden by gandalf23atwork · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The other day I was digging through the local used book store. Found a textbook for petrolium engineers written in 1939. In the forward, the author cautioned young petrolium engineering students to make sure they have a back up career, as peak oil had been reached, and "all the oil that exists in the world has been found," and "within 20 years the world will have no oil."

      :)

      My boss has a text book from the 70s that says the same thing, in 20 years we'll run out of oil.

  3. Isn't Iceland in the lead? by j-beda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought Iceland was going to "be the first"?

  4. The Swedes can do it if anyone can by LeninZhiv · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Heck, they already managed to change from driving on the left to driving on the right--that's more than most countries could pull off!

  5. Good first step... by squoozer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...but it's easy for a country covered in trees with a population of 27 people to eliminate it's dependency on fossil fuels - you just burn trees instead (or use a couple of wind turbines). The situation is quite a bit different in more densily populated countries like the UK (383 people / sq Km, Sweeded is 20 people / sq Km) or places like the US where the bulk of the population is very much concentrated in one or two general areas. In the case of the UK I doubt we have the land mass to derive all our power from renewable sources _and_ produce enough food to feed ourselves. In the case of the US I'm sure they have the space but it's a long way from where the power is needed and therefore transmission losses are going to be huge.

    Sorry to any Swedish reading this I know you have more than 27 people but you have got to admit you have a lot of space per person.

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  6. Really oil free or just not using fossil energy? by dakna · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I think the statement to get rid of the dependency of fossil energy doesn't mean the total lack of any oil in the car industry. The process of converting plants like colza (rape) to oil and using it as bio-diesel is already in use. Given the fact that volvo has a lot of experience producing diesel engines for trucks this could be a very good replacement for all cars. It is already in heavy use here in Europe, a lot of cargo companies switched their trucks to bio-diesel because it is a lot cheaper and you just have to do minor modifications to the engine. Also the diesel engine is popular for small cars too.

    So it is a great way to combine this with other renewable energy sources like wind/sun/water ( they produce electricity). Imagine a hybrid car with bio-diesel engines and electricity engines. Could be a smooth transition into the post peak-oil age. I just have to wonder where in Sweden you could grow so much plants (colza), but maybe this could also be a chance for other countries to produce and export it.

    Unfortunately the German government decided to raise a tax for plant oil in the near future, so the times when you could go to the local plant oil supplier to get your diesel car rolling for about half the price of regular diesel are almost gone. More and more people do this, so it is a welcome additional source for the government to get money. It will get about 20% (not sure) more expensive, but it will still be cheaper than diesel. Sad times for the local farmers though, was a good way to to regain independence, but there is big business again.

    Regards,

    Dakna

  7. Re:Riiight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The goal of 0 deaths in traffic ("nollvisionen") is not really as stupid as you make it look. The actual goal is just that 0 people are going to die in traffic as a result of poor road construction, poor driving education, poor maintenance of the road (such as leaving them icy and snowy), etc. This figure does not include peple who crash due to driving drunk or due to recklessness, it is strictly related to things that the government is responsible for.

    As for the 2010 abolition of nuclear power. There was a referendum held on the issue of if and when nuclear power should be abolished. The majority voted for abolishing it by 2010, but in Swedish law referendums does not have any real power, they are merely suggestions to the politicians on how to act and this far that line has not hade majority, at least not when it has came to actually start with concrete actions to dullfill this goal.

  8. Volvo and Saab by johndeerejedi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, so I guess Volvo and Saab will be the first car manufacturers to go completely fossil free too then, huh?

  9. So will everyone else by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... which is why the Swedes, the Germans, the Chinese, the Americans and everyone else have to get over their reluctance to embrace nuclear power. As oil gets more scarce, it will get more expensive. After our fourth or fifth hideously expensive war to secure, yet again, access to "our" oil, the politicians will finally run a cost-benefit analysis. The oil will be so expensive that it's just better to let Venezuela, Saudi Arabia or some other OPEC country go to hell and redirect our time and effort into energy independence. Not short-term BS like ANWR or LNG, but the only viable long-term energy option, nuclear fission.

    "But what about all the waste?", cry the environmentalists, "don't despoil Yucca Mountain with those mountains of radioactive waste!" Sooner or later, somebody is going to wake up to the fact that breeder reactors that use fuel recycing produce less than 3% of that high level waste that would go into Yucca. When the volumes are that low, you can just glassify it, sink the glass pieces in an ingot of lead and encase the ingots in 5-ton concrete casks and put them in neat rows in a parking lot somewhere. Put up a razor wire fence and that's that. No chance of anyone stealing it for dirty bombs because the casks are so damned heavy ("physical security"), even if the concrete cracks in 30 years the glass won't go anywhere, and the local town will welcome the jobs for Buford and Billy Joe to walk around the fence thirty times a night at $17.50/hr.

    Don't want a permanent radioactive waste dump on the outskirts of your town? Call it a "Temporary Cask Transit Facility" and shuffle the casks around every now and again to make it look like they aren't there permanently. "Renew the lease" on the land every 10 years to give you an opportunity to re-bribe the new set of elected officials in town, and make sure you paint the casks every year as part of "safety inspections" to keep them looking neat and safe... that will give jobs to Jim Bob and Cyrus, too.

    In the end, you can spend $10,000,000 a year on each of 100 different "Temporary Cask Transit Facilities" for 100 years and still end up cheaper than Yucca Mountain, while offering 1000x the storage capacity.

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  10. Lol boy are you wrong by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I am socialist, I live in holland and ALWAYS vote leftwing and think Holland would do better looking at the swedish model then the american model. I am just aware that a lot of the people here are american and not fully aware what exactly it means to live in places with a large social securit system.

    BUT I do not want to tell americans that they are wrong. They can run their country the way they want to. In such a way I am not taking sides. I do think the swedish system makes a better system for ME, americans would in general feel different.

    Perhaps if you got of your high moral horse for a while you would be able to accept that different people prefer different societies.

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  11. Re:Riiight. by wikkiewikkie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Their goal of reducing traffic deaths has lead to tremendous innovation in the field of automotive safety. Safety glass, the three-point seatbelt, and side-impact airbags were all invented by Swedes. In addition, safety features are routinely standardized across all of their models decades before US automakers even introduce them.

    Given that much of their success in the automotive safety field is driven by the zero traffic-death goal, why wouldn't a similar goal for energy usage spurn innovation in that field?