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Microlensing Uncovers Earth-Like Planet

smooth wombat writes "Using a new technique called gravitational microlensing, a team of astronomers have discovered the smallest Earth-like planet circling a star 20,000 light years away in the constellation Sagittarius. Unfortunately the planet takes ten years to circle the red dwarf and has a surface temperature estimated at -220 C which means it's just a larger version of Pluto so the chance of finding life on this planet is essentially zero."

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  1. Wait... by scolby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately the planet takes ten years to circle the red dwarf and has a surface temperature estimated at -220 C which means it's just a larger version of Pluto so the chance of finding life on this planet is essentially zero.
    So it's earth-like how?

    1. Re:Wait... by Alotau · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From the article:
      "This is the most Earth-like planet we have discovered to date, in terms of its mass and the distance from its parent star," he told BBC News. "Most of the other planets that have been discovered are either much more massive, much hotter or both."

      He is an astronomer, so when saying it was Earth-like he was, of course, speaking relatively.

    2. Re:Wait... by mrsev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "at -220 C .......so the chance of finding life on this planet is essentially zero."

      I get fed up with people saying this. Our data set for planets that can support life is 1. We have no idea what "other" lifeforms can survive. Pretty much everywhere we look on earth we find life.

      We find it at +120C at several thousand atmospheres of pressure next to thermal vents.

      We find it at -40 C under meters of ice.

      We find it living in our stomachs at a pH of less than 2.0.

      We find it making a living from cleaning the insides of a sharks mouth.

      I am sure that if you go into the charred remains of Reactor core number 4 chernobyl you will find plenty of life.

      All you need for life is some form of energy that can be harnessed and some raw materials to use. There is no justification for saying that we should look for life at 300 kelvin and 1 atmoshphere pressure and 20% oxygen. For the report on a "scientific" article it is just lame speculation dressed as informed fact.

    3. Re:Wait... by birge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      well, you generally don't find complex life at temperatures where water and most (all?) hydrocarbons freeze, do you? i'm sorry you're 'fed up' with this kind of rampant speculation, but given that life anywhere will still have to obey the same physics, it's unlikely we'll find complex life at temperatures where little chemical activity takes place, and where pretty much everything is solid.

    4. Re:Wait... by mrsev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OK Ill bite:

      >>well, you generally don't find complex life at temperatures where water and most (all?) hydrocarbons freeze,

      Life on earth evolved to use complex hydrocarbons because they "work" well at the temperatures we experiance. Remember that we live at around 300 kelvin. Some things on earth live at 200 kelvin some at close to 450 kelvin. This is quite a wide range. Where hydrocarbons dont work something else will.

      >>do you? i'm sorry you're 'fed up' with this kind of rampant speculation, but given that life anywhere will still have to obey the same physics,

      I think that you underestimate "life" we have plants that eat "light". We live on a planet with an 20% oxygen atmosphere. This was put there by those plants.

      We have bacteria that use sulfur instread of iron. We have creature that change color at will. We have creatures that emmit light. We have creatures that live in the middle of the sahara desert.

      -220 C may be cold for us but what you need for life is a energy differential. Our fish swim in water, birds fly in the air. On another planet they may swim and fly in molten lead or liquid sulfuric gas, somewhere else they may swim in methane.

      On earth some creature survive on caffine solution and hot dogs! There is no reason to assume that alien life should be anything like our own.

      Let me put it this way if you told a 19th century biologist that on earth there were creatures who live at 400 Bar of pressure at +130C in extreme saline conditions they would say it was impossible, that life could not exist under these conditions.

      It is silly to make a prediction of probabilities with a data set of a single sample.(In this case life on earth)We have not even looked properly for life on any of the other planets in our solar system.

  2. Oh, Rebecca... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry to carp, but it's stuff like this, especially in 'science' articles, that drives me to distraction.

    From TFA (boldface mine):
    Predicted surface temperatures are minus 220 degrees Celcius (-364F), meaning that its surface is likely to be layer of frozen liquid.
    Umm...wouldn't that be the textbook definition of solid ? In the absence of any information as to the composition of the 'frozen liquid, the term 'frozen liquid' could apply equally well to any terrestrial planet.
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  3. Quote from TFA: by Enigma_Man · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Quote:

    "How can we prove there is life on a distant planet when we have problems seeing if there is life on Mars?"

    So, by all means, let's just stop looking then. That's the easy solution. Seriously though, I hate when people think like this. Maybe by looking out into deep space, we'll discover some new method for easily detecting life which we can then apply to Mars. That is unlikely, but still, science is about exploring, not just throwing down the hat at something silly like a problem that we can't quite answer yet.

    Whomever said that hopefully isn't a scientist and/or working on this project.

    -Jesse

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  4. Don't insult us! by 32bitwonder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This style of reporting is beyond annoying. I'd much rather have this story presented like it is "Using the microlensing technique first predicted by Albert Einstein in 1912, a team of astronomers have discovered a rocky planet about 5 times the mass of the earth some 25,000 light years away. It orbits a red dwarf....." Personally I was more intriqued by Albert Einsteins' involvement than the idiotic claims of the planet being "Earth-like" but.....not.

  5. Sensationalist expectations by Bob3141592 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't believe most everyone here is up in arms because the term "earthlike" was used. That basically refers to mass, and is technically correct in it's field. Remember, astronomers refer to anything above helium as "metals." But it leads so many to say "Nothing to see here, there's no giant trees or sea monsters on that planet." How jaded do you have to be to have ridiculous expectations like that?

    That astronomers can detect that planet at all is a phenomenal acheivement. Before this, the only extrasolar planets that could be detected had large masses in close orbits, a rather extreme situation. But here's something quite outside that class. So its parameters aren't inside the "habitable zone." It's the first discovery of its kind. The attitude I'm seeing here is like someone claiming poker is no fun because they haven't been dealt a royal flush on their first hand. It's the process, more than this particular result, that should inspire amazement.

    And it was seen at 20,000 light years away. That really, really far, a galactic distance! That means there are a lot of stars potentially obnservable using this technique. Even if the alignment is relatively rare, with billions of stars to try, perhaps sooner or later one or two will prove themselves to be more interesting to this unreasonably demanding crowd. But then I'm sure the discovery will be discounted if the alien civilization hasn't developed Linux.

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