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Petabyte Storage Array

knight13 writes "Engadet is reporting that EMC is rolling out a petabyte RAID array. From the article, "And if you're ready for that level of storage, there's now someplace to get it: EMC has launched its first petabyte array, a version of the company's flagship Symmetrix DMX-3 system that includes nine room-filling cabinets of drives." The price? A mere $4 million."

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  1. Kinda Interesting by synthparadox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is pretty interesting in that it's yet another item that we all wish we had just for overkill purposes.

    However, I doubt they'll sell many of these. The only places I can think of that would benefit from this are supercomputing institutes, but they often build their own redudant RAID systems and/or NAS systems.

    It's nice and all, but seriously people, who's the audience?

    1. Re:Kinda Interesting by TinyManCan · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You're mistaken.

      If this was slightly less high-end disk (DMX's are EMC's top of the line) it would be perfect for disk-to-disk backups. We send approx 50 TB a day of data to tape to send offsite. I would *love* to have the last 50 days data on disk, onsite for instant restores.

    2. Re:Kinda Interesting by TinyManCan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      For the full meal deal? Probably nobody - but it makes a hell of an advertisement for the smaller systems in the same product line.

      I'd bet you that you are wrong on this. EMC is going to sell a lot of these systems.

      Previously you could get a 230 TB (? might be off, going from memory?) DMX3000 array. EMC has a lot of customers with several (many in some instances) of these installed. A good percentage of these customers would probably consolidate into a single array. Some customers like the advantages of many smaller arrays.

      But certainly EMC is going to sell more than 0 of these. This year.

  2. Holy Truman, Batman! by MarkRose · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Interesting calculation: If you live 80 years, that's 435.5 KB per second -- enough for a TV-quality video of your entire life.

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    1. Re:Holy Truman, Batman! by cgenman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting calculation: If you live 80 years, that's 435.5 KB per second -- enough for a TV-quality video of your entire life.

      If you live for 80 years, that's 75 years longer than an average hard drive will last. That's 6.9 Megs of data breaking every second.

    2. Re:Holy Truman, Batman! by cgenman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      have them indexed by day and hour for recall, pretty easily.

      I have a friend who has photographic memory. She can take pictures of things with her mind, and look back at them later. If she wants, she can snap an entire textbook and read it later.

      The problem is, though, that whenever she wants data she still has to read it. If she doesn't study for tests, then she has to flip through textbooks in her mind to try and find the data, which is a lot more tedious than you would think. If you had a recording of your life and wanted to know your boss's exact statement about your project 6 months ago, you will need to spend hours and hours and hours flipping through footage looking for it.

      A 24-7 documentation of your life would take 24-7 to watch.

  3. Re:1 Peta?? How many by rnpg1014 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If every JPEG was 500 KB, 4,708,523,520 of them. This doesn't account for the operating system, if there is one. Still, when would you ever need to store nearly 5 trillion JPEGs, unless you're Google Caching?

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  4. Been there done that by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.archive.org/web/petabox.php

    By those who truly care about the human tradition, and spreading the music of the Grateful Dead and other freely available media.

    Is this another slashvertisement?

    1. Re:Been there done that by r_weaver · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It's only a "Petabox" in name, not capacity. (unless by "box" they mean a 20'x8'x8' shipping container)

      From the linked site:

      * High density-- 100 Terabytes per rack
      * Colocation friendly-- requires our own rack to get 100TB/rack, or 50TB in a standard rack

      So even with the special Internet Archive racks, you'd need 10 of the racks to get a Petabyte.

      Though it seems that capricorn-tech has improved on the capacity since the Internet Archive page was written, advertising up to 80 TB per standard rack, so you could get by with just 6.25 racks for a full Petabyte of storage if you had those new higher capacity nodes in the special racks.

      Other interesting specs: 900 lbs per standard 19" x 80" high (42U) rack, 80W/node, 3.2 KW/rack, 40KW for an entire Petabyte.

  5. true by xusr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's amazing how quickly storage increases and prices go down. On the other hand, it's interesting to keep in mind that as amazing as an iPod nano would be in 1985, the invention of paper was the single biggest leap in storage density we've ever seen.

  6. When will a petabyte hard drive arrive here? by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The thing is built around 2,400 500GB hard drives.

    I wonder when (if) the average consumer can get 1PB harddrives?

    I don't know if Moores law applies historically to harddrives, but if doubling of capacity occured every 18 months and figuring 500GB is the limit size now and the doubling continues into the future:

    500GB - Now
    1TB - 18 months
    2 - 36
    4 - 54
    8 - 72
    16 - 90
    32 - 108
    64 - 126
    128 - 144
    256 - 162
    512 - 180
    1024TB = 1PB - 198months which is 16.5 years.

    1. Re:When will a petabyte hard drive arrive here? by Knetzar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      According to the paper High Density Hard Disk Drive Trends in the USA, hard drive density has doubled every 12 months.

      500GB - Now
      1TB - 1 year
      2 - 2
      4 - 3
      8 - 4
      16 - 5
      32 - 6
      64 - 7
      128 - 8
      256 - 9
      512 - 10
      1024TB = 1PB - 11 years, Assuming that ariel density continues to double and the form factor stays the same.

  7. Re:Failure rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you assume MTBF of 500,000 hours, you get an average of one failure every 500,000 hours / 2400 drives / 24 hours/day = ~8.7 days. Keep in mind that you're probably paying $800-$1600/drive (EMC drives ain't cheap), so it's closer to $100-200/day for maintenance. Now, that may be included in the price, it may be included in a service contract, or it may be paid out-of-pocket.

    Close to 50 years ago, you would pay $35,000/year for a 5MB disk drive (the first hard drive ever, IBM's 5MB 305 RAMAC). 20 years ago you were lucky to even be able to pick up a 1GB drive.

    dom

  8. Re:Failure rate by TopSpin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Large data centers often have far more than 2400 operational disks. Under these conditions, at any given moment, some fraction of all storage has faulted and repair activity is continuous. This is one reason SCSI hardware is preferred: the disks are more uniform (capacity, electrical interface, etc.,) and replacements remain available over longer intervals.

    This isn't the slightest bit unusual. At any moment some fraction of the power transmission and distribution system has faulted. Some percentage of all aircraft are grounded. Various segments of all wide area communications systems are down. Repairs never cease.

    $350 equates to a few minutes of aggregate labor costs spent financing, provisioning, securing and monitoring a petabyte of storage. Other large ongoing costs include power and cooling. $350/day is lost in the noise.

    EMC's new offering will reduce many of these costs for a given amount of storage. The thing to do then is build data centers to host these machines by the dozen.

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  9. Filed under: Peripherals by drgonzo59 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I like the section heading: Peripherals

    With a beast like this that fills up a whole room, anything else becomes a peripheral....

  10. Re:Apple XServe by vidarh · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It gets you a unified system designed to work as a cohesive hole, and that is easy to maintain and operate.

    That's generally what you pay a fortune for when you buy these big beasts.

    It all boils down to what is most important for you - the money or the hassle of managing less integrated systems. The big filers are by no means the right choice for everybody, but they are nice to work with if you can justify the cost.

    Features in high end storage systems like this typically include things like redundant-everything (multiple controllers with automatic failover, multiple sets of write cache, RAID, multiple power supplies), up to and including systems where you can pull out entire packs of drives while the system is running without noticing more than a reduced IO rate.

    Many of them also have extensive built in health checks, and some will "call home" and the first you might know about a potential problem may be the engineer showing up at your office to fix it before it does become a problem (of course, you pay accordingly....)

    Other features usually involve snapshot support (get a second virtual "drive" that is "frozen" at a point in time - makes doing backups a breeze because you can quiet database updates etc., make a snapshot, and then go on with your business and not have to deal with complex hot backup solutions), and often remote synchronisation (get a second box at a second location, put up a fibre link between them, and let the boxes handle the rest)

    Of course you can do most/all of this with cheaper hardware too, but then you have to build it yourself. If you're, for instance a bank, and are dealing with huge sums of money, it's often far easier to buy stuff like this and pay for the maintenance contracts and just not have to deal with it any more.

    For mere mortals they are usually just outrageously overprised compared to the features we actually need.

    Though I must say I have always had a weakness for hardware that comes with cases big enough to live in and requires forklifts to move... :)

  11. Re:1 Peta?? How many by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1 Peta[byte]?? How many JPEGS would that be?

    JPEGs are too small for the margin of error in the reporting of this 1 PB array. From the article, it appears to be a 1.2 PB array (2400 * 500 GB), presumably to push it over the 1 PiB capacity(*). And that's assuming the whole capacity is available and none of it used for redundancy. (That's a lot of data to lose over one drive failure.)

    (*) The difference between 1 PB and 1 PiB is nearly 126 TB! That's a lot of space to miss over not knowing what units you're talking about. Byte @

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