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Romney Continues ODF Support With New Appointee

Andy Updegrove writes "There is a major new development in the ongoing saga in Massachusetts over implementation of the OpenDocument Format (ODF). Governor Mitt Romney has named a permanent successor to former State CIO Peter Quinn, utilizing the entire press release announcing his appointment to underline the fact that the new CIO, Louis Gutierrez, would not only be charged with implementing the ODF policy, but that his past experience was uniquely suited to that task. Moreover, the press release goes out of its way to note that implementation of ODF is still on target for an effective date of January 1, 2007."

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  1. Taxachusetts? by Joseph+Vigneau · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not so much anymore. State income tax is currently 5.3%, though you can voluntarily pay 5.9% (I'm not kidding, there's a checkbox in the tax form for this). Romney's trying to get that down to 5%, however, but given the heavily old-boy Democrat leaning of the Legislature, it will be a tough fight. There's also a 5% state sales tax, but it's a short ride to "tax free New Hampshire", so that's generally not a problem.

    1. Re:Taxachusetts? by cuteintern · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have family in Westfield, and last I knew (2003-ish), the state gov't was in horrible financial shape. As I recall, the situation was bad enough that they dissolved the county governments to save everyone a little money to help out.

      (Not that there's anything wrong with one less level of government!)

      Has something on that front changed?

    2. Re:Taxachusetts? by kalidasa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Property tax rates are significantly lower in Massachusetts than they are in New Hampshire (especially southern NH). The meals tax rate is lower (5% versus 8%). Massachusetts doesn't tax groceries or clothes under a certain amount ($175, I think, though that may have changed over the years). On the other hand, Massachusetts expects you to pay a use tax on items you buy out of state (without paying sales tax) at the same time you pay your income taxes! However, services in Massachusetts are as a rule much better than in New Hampshire.

    3. Re:Taxachusetts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "Tax free New Hampshire"?

      You folks are out to lunch.

      You pay it one way or another. Think folks: property tax.

      New Hampshire doesn't charge you for sales tax. That seems A-OK, right? Well, didn't work out so well. Schools were going to hell. Finally the court had to step in and fix the problem because the republicans running things had run things into the ground. So local communities had to raise property tax rates. Unlike in "liberal" Massachusetts, where we do our best to keep our schools in good shape and have a property tax rate cap so that we can afford to stay here, New Hampshire had to raise rates through the roof. Even a little bungalow on a lake looks nice, but at the end of the year stand by for the bill.

      Think you can get out of the state income tax? Wrong. If you live in New Hampshire and commute to Massachusetts you are obligated to pay massachusetts income tax.

      Wake up. We live in a society that is obligated to participate as a community to help each other. Granted, right now on a national level, it's an abomination, but in some places, such as Massachusetts, it does work.

  2. Re:Why Gutierrez? by vidarh · · Score: 3, Informative
    RTFA:

    The press release goes on to highlight the fact that earlier in his career, Gutierrez was chief information officer for the Massachusetts Executive Office of Health and Human Services (HHS), the largest state secretariat with 23,000 staff and more than $12 billion in annual spending. In that capacity, Gutierrez:

    [L]ed the development and implementation of the state's Virtual Gateway, an online portal that integrated the web presence of 16 agencies into a user-friendly format that improved service delivery and reduced costs. "The Virtual Gateway is an example of how state government computing can be transformed through the application of open standards that interoperate with many kinds of technology and vendors," said Gutierrez. "s technology continues to evolve there remain substantial opportunities to transform services and a need to plan for the long-term future of technology-infused operations."

    So, in other words, it's referring to the fact that he's a) overseen large deployments and large budgets, and b) that he's carried out a cost saving project relying on open standards.

    He's good for this job because he's enough of a heavyweight and has had successfull enough projects that he and the Governor can respond to further attempts at power grabs from the senate by pointing out that Gutierrez has done similar stuff before, AND saved money doing it, so any politicians going against this project can much easier be painted as trying to waste taxpayer money to protect out of state corporate interests (Microsoft). It's a smart move...

  3. Re:ODF, Romney, and pro-tech presidental candidate by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 2, Informative
    Which also still means that you are tied to Windows and MS Office for 100% compatibility. If you want to autogenerate documents, it's a pain in the ass, and you have to have an Office license to do it. Want to do some analysis of a document? You'll need an Office license.

    Get it? ODF is about promoting freedom. To use YOUR document when YOU want, in whatever way YOU want.

  4. Re:ODF, Romney, and pro-tech presidental candidate by aaronl · · Score: 3, Informative

    From the archaeological standpoint, DOC is worse than hieroglyphics. MS DOC format is not a text format, it's an obfuscated binary format that is, in reality, a memory dump of the OLE objects that Word was working with. You have huge amounts of data in that file that is not text, and you can't guarantee that the text is stored as actual text.

    BTW - contracts are still typically printed, signed, and stored, all on wood pulp paper.

  5. Re:ODF, Romney, and pro-tech presidental candidate by paiute · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm waiting for their next generation operating systems with baited breath

    Bated. BATED.

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  6. Re:document conversion by vidarh · · Score: 4, Informative
    You mean just like "upgrading" to a newer version of Office then?

    More than once I've had more luck opening old Word document with OpenOffice than with a newer Word version...

    Besides, if you'd bothered checking what they're actually planning to do, they've specifically made it clear that keeping current software around to handle legacy documents is ok, and that no document conversion is required.

  7. Re:ODF, Romney, and pro-tech presidental candidate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    MS DOC format is not a text format, it's an obfuscated binary format that is, in reality, a memory dump of the OLE objects that Word was working with.

    I'd love to know where this rumor started. A Word document isn't just a "memory dump" of the what Office had stored in it. If it was, Word 2003 wouldn't be able to open Word 97 documents, but it can.

    Yes, it uses serialization to store the objects. HOWEVER, object serialization is NOTHING like a "memory dump" - it's a proprietary binary format, that's all it is.

  8. Massachusetts Following Saugus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's interesting that the Town of Saugus, Massachusetts has been successfully using open formats for years. Not just the government there, either. Even the Saugus Chamber of Commerce is using open formats successfully.

    With smaller test cases like that in place, I suspect that Massachusetts itself will be right on time with the switch.

  9. Re:ODF, Romney, and pro-tech presidental candidate by aaronl · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, the "rumor" started from Microsoft basically telling everyone that it was how they did it.

    MS Office documents are stored as OLE Compound Documents, and have been since Office 97. The way this works is to take the OLE structure that you're working with in memory, and save it to a file. Office stores these as serialized structures representing different OLE objects.

    This enables Office to embed many types of other content, as long as it can be represented by an OLE object. The method of saving the OLE memory objects to disc also allows Office applications to quickly load and save complex documents, however it carries the penalty of large file sizes. It also makes it incredibly difficult to load an Office OLE document without access to the format specifications.

    While the OLE Compound Document format is documented, the ways that Office stores the data within its specific OLE containers is not officially documented *at all*. This means that you can fairly easily open an OLE document and see the OLE containers in the stream, but you can't manipulate most of them, for lack of documentation.

    As an aside, Word 2003 can *usually* open a Word 97 document, and less often, Word 97 can open a Word 2003 document. You will usually get an intact document in the former case, but you will often lose formatting in the latter. In other words, Word 97 and Word 2003 aren't actually fully compatible, in either direction.