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Boing Boing Threatened By Software Creator

mfh writes "StarForce has issued threats to Boing Boing's Cory Doctorow in retaliation to Cory's post about the anti-copy malware that installs itself along with many popular (and unpopular) video games." From the BoingBoing post: "Yesterday, I posted about StarForce, a harmful technology used by game companies to restrict their customers' freedom. StarForce attempts to stop game customers from copying their property, but it has the side-effects of destabilizing and crashing the computers on which it is installed. Someone identifying himself as 'Dennis Zhidkov, PR-manager, StarForce Inc.' contacted me this morning and threatened to sue me, and told me that he had contacted the FBI to complain about my 'harassment.'"

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  1. The FBI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He contacted the FBI?

    Well, there's only one response to this nut. Laugh at him because he obviously doens't have a clue as to how to bring legal action against you.

    1. Re:The FBI? by jandrese · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think he should send a letter back to the company asking for verification that the email isn't just the ramblings of some unaffilated nut. If they own up to it, then craft your own legalish looking letter with threatining wording telling them how you're collecting the names of everybody they've done this to so you can form your own harassment lawsuit. I wonder how long it would take them to panic and try to shut you up with hush money? These guys only exist because they call up game companies, give a slick speech with terms like "50% sales loss due to piracy" and the like, and convince them to use the software. If the companies start hearing bad things about them destabalizing users machines and boycotts of their software, they'd probably think twice about buying it from them. They can't afford to have their actual practices brought out into the sunlight.

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    2. Re:The FBI? by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I assume he doesn't have the slightest idea how US law works or how it's enforced.

      Well I assume he doesn't have the slightest idea how US law works, or how it's enforced, or that Cory Doctorow is Canadian, or that he lives in London.

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    3. Re:The FBI? by Egatlov · · Score: 5, Informative

      First, the contest was, until very recently only $1000, not really a large bounty.
      if you read their rules you have to travel at YOUR expense to moscow to demonstrate the problem. You then have to demonstrate in ONE DAY a problem with the DVD/CD drive which "Until it reaches the latter stages most people do not even realise it is happening."
      The contest is a PR move with rules constructed to make winning impossible. The bashing has been on target and valid.

  2. Yay, more useless litigation... by PFI_Optix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's right, folks. Criticism is harassment. It's no longer voicing an opinion. The press' right to inform the consumer and raise awareness about problems no longer exists. At least, that's how these guys would like it to be. What we need is a way for judges to penalize plaintiffs if they are clearly attempting to infringe on the rights of others for their own gain, as the case would appear here.

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    1. Re:Yay, more useless litigation... by amazon10x · · Score: 5, Informative
      anybody who can reproducibly demonstrate their software harming a system

      You understand that one of the 'rules' of this competition was that it had to do permanent damage. Someone (multiple people, actually) showed them that when they installed a game with StarForce, their DVD(cd?) drive began to malfunction. However, they would not let this individual claim the prize because after completely wiping the HDD and reinstalling windows it began to work properly. They claimed this did not harm the system because it did not do permanent damage.

      (I don't have a source to back this up right now, I'll find the article later.)

      If I install a game on my system I don't want to have to reinstall my OS everytime I want to burn a DVD.

    2. Re:Yay, more useless litigation... by amazon10x · · Score: 5, Informative
      I realized I had the bookmark right here. Straight from the terms of the contest:

      Using your PC (the subject PCs hardware must be under warranty terms) or any StarForce office PC you demonstrate that:
      - All the drives in the system are properly functioning prior to the installation of a StarForce protected product of your choice. A legal version of operational system must be installed and there must be no other third company products installed. StarForce experts have full access to the subject PC for verification of installed software.
      - After the installation and start-up of StarForce protected product (the product itself must not be hazardous for optical drives) the CD or DVD drive in the subject PC is not reading CD/DVD discs or the drive is not writing CD/DVD discs.
      - After this demonstration the subject Drive must be removed from the subject PC and installed into any other computer that has no StarForce protected products or drivers installed, that has a legal version of operational system and has no third company products installed. StarForce experts have full access to the subject PC for verification of installed software.

      Should the subject Drive fail to read or write CD/DVD discs in the second PC, you will be acknowledged the Winner.

      That last sentence means that you must make the software actually physically fubar you drive to the point it will not work in ANY SYSTEM without starforce protection. Everyone knows starforce isn't physically smashing drives with hammers; they are breaking drivers to the point one needs to reinstall Windows.

      This contest will never be won.

      As a side note, if you decide you want to try to win this contest anyway, you must foot the bill to fly to Moscow (the one on the other side of the planet) and show the folks in the office.

    3. Re:Yay, more useless litigation... by pclminion · · Score: 5, Insightful
      political speech that needs to be regulated

      What a terrifying seven words...

  3. My bad... my bad... by eno2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorry. That was me. My Troll Tuesday antics got a little out of hand and I started calling everyone in my address book (Lycos People Search) and threatening to sue for unspecified amounts under the DMCA just to make a point. You can disregard the call. Sometimes a joke CAN go too far, can't it? ;P

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  4. Classic SLAPP Technique by Nf1nk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a classic SLAPP technique http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP
    One nice thing is that states like California have fairly strong anti Slapp laws and lawyers that specialize in this sort of case

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  5. Here is a picture of Dennis Zhidkov by Sundroid · · Score: 5, Informative

    Smile, you're on Slashdot: http://icoc.freehomepage.com/contact.html

    1. Re:Here is a picture of Dennis Zhidkov by Billosaur · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And apparently he's spends a lot of free time pissing gamers off:

      Starforce Posts Thier Objections to Toms Hardware

      This may seem familiar (from C|Net): StarForce Response

      Can you say whacko? Ooooopppss! I may be attracting a lawsuit or at least a visit from the FBI...

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    2. Re:Here is a picture of Dennis Zhidkov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Rich. A Russian informs a Canadian living in London that he's alerted the American federal crime bureau to his "harassment." Isn't it nice how the internet really brings us all together?

  6. the problem with "don't buy" by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People will buy until they know. Look around amongst your peers, mention "Sony rootkit" or "DRM" and check how many blank stares you receive.

    Yes, WE know it. Now. Thanks for posting. But we already knew. We already take care of our computers. We already check on CDs if they are REALLY CDs. We already make sure that our Games don't hassle us with "I don't wanna run as long as you have that CD Emu soft running".

    But we don't count, folks. We are a minority. We think before we act. And most of all, we think before we buy.

    We're a small minority. We don't count.

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  7. Don't you love how every time these people... by Avillia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Threaten to involve or claim to involve the FBI (Cybercrime)? Really, I swore they had better things to do than investigate petty sites using legally protected free speech to label corporate interests as having malicious intent with their product. Like, I dunno. Child Porn? I hope so.

    And then, of course, comes the OMG LAWSUIT brigade, claiming libel and slander when, again, opinions of a entities buisness practices are protected free speech...Hoping to tie up critics in a huge and costly (in the short term) legal battle to silence them. (PriceRitePhoto scandal, anyone?)

    It just goes to show the sort of people behind this company that, instead of making logical arguments against their critics, they choose to take the 'dirty route' with the aforementioned threats...360, Claira, Jack Thompson, PriceRitePhoto..

    I really, really, really hope someone gets up the gonads to take one of these foolish corporations, PARTICULARY so a adware/spyware corporation or someone with similar malicious intent to court when they issue a groundless Cease and Desist in a attempt to hold face and further their own intent.

    Fin.

  8. What has been broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  9. This is going to backfire, like Sony by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Making that threat was a big mistake. Now more security people will take a look at this "protection software", probably confirm the holes, and get it marked as hostile code. That will hit the mainstream press, and some major game vendors will be in the position Sony is now in. Expect some product recalls.

    This controversy is good. Games must be stopped from installing code which runs with kernel or administrator privileges. That's introducing too many security holes now, by preventing users from running as a nonprivileged user. Users can't lock down their machines and still run games. That's no longer acceptable.

  10. Boinging for justice by spyrochaete · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Boing Boing might in fact have a strong case vs Starforce here. Precedent was set by Kyle Bennett of HardOCP when he successfully defended vs Infinium Labs last year. I think what won him the case was his freedom of press rights. I wonder if Boing Boing could countersue for slander as Starforce contests his journalistic integrity.

  11. Re:Two sides to every story by Mathonwy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, can you say "astroturf comment"? Either that or troll, not sure which. Anyway, I'll bite:

    If there have been documented cases of it causing problems, then it doesn't really matter if there have been other cases where it was fine. Even if only 10% of end users see problems, don't you think everyone still would like to know about it, so they can make informed decisions?

    Or, to put in another, more emotionally charged frame: If there was a baby-food that worked fine most of the time, but in 10% of cases caused the baby to explode violently, don't you think people (particularly potential customers) should be told that there were risks? Just because someone could say "well, MY baby didn't explode" would not somehow absolve the company of responsability of the 10% that did.

  12. Making a list and checking it twice by thaerin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ever since I heard about some of the random issues caused by Starforce a few years back, I've always avoided any game title under it's protection. You can find a pretty good up-to-date list of known Starforce protected titles over here - http://www.glop.org/starforce/

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  13. Re:No point in getting us riled up without a targe by web_boyo_in_sac · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dennis Zhidkov
    PR Manager
    StarForce Technologies
    Altufevskoe shosse, 5/2
    127106 Moscow, Russia
    Tel +7 (095) 9671451
    Fax +7 (095) 9671452
    ICQ: 75-371-896
    E-mail: denis.zhidkov@star-force.com
    Http: http://www.star-force.com/