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Slashback: OSS, Lawsuits, History

Slashback tonight brings some corrections, clarifications, and updates to previous Slashdot stories, including Record Label civil war, more big-business software getting tossed into open source, US Government says 2008 IPv6 still on track, EU Warned Microsoft source code not enough, RIM celebrates a victory in Germany, 10th planet a reality, and looking forward to the year 2001 -- Read on for details.

Record Label Supports Accused File-Sharer. arabagast writes "The Nettwerk Music Group has said it will pay for the defense of David Greubel. Greubel is the defendant in a complaint filed by the RIAA in a U.S. District Court in Fort Worth, Texas accusing him of having 600 illegally downloaded music files on his home computer."

Qluster's OpenQRM goes OSS. Decibel writes "While Microsoft, Oracle and now IBM have made news by releasing free versions of their databases, other companies have gone one better and released versions of their products as OSS. Qlusters is one example, in that they just released OpenQRM. The CTO's previous company (Symbiot) also made a similar play, releasing OpenSIMS. Could this be the start of a change to where commercial software starts melding more and more into OSS?"

US Government says 2008 IPv6 still on track. DrkShadow writes to tell us that the Government is holding fast to their 2008 IPv6 switch commitment. From the article: "The White House Office of Management and Budget said it would issue a policy memorandum dictating full federal 'IPv6' compliance in an effort to spur its deployment throughout government agencies."

EU Warned Microsoft source code not enough. Joe Barr writes "According to WindowsITPro, the Wall Street Journal has obtained a copy of a confidential memo sent from the EU to Microsoft last month which warned Microsoft that an offer of the source code would not be enough to satisfy the EU's requirements for interoperability. Open source advocates have blasted the offer because it lacks the knowledge required to interoperate with Windows behind its IP licensing, thus making it unusable."

RIM celebrates a victory in Germany. PDG writes "Looks like not everything is going bad for RIM as they have recently won another patent based lawsuit, but this time in Germany. At least they don't have all their legal eggs in one basket."

10th planet a reality. smooth wombat writes "After measuring twice and cutting once, a team of German astrophysicists at the University of Bonn led by Frank Bertoldi have concluded that the object located beyond the orbit of Pluto and named 2003 UB313, is 435 miles larger in diameter than Pluto. As a result, there will be increasing pressure on the IAU (International Astronomical Union) to classify this object as the 10th planet. From the article: '"It is now increasingly hard to justify calling Pluto a planet if UB313 is not also given this status," Bertoldi said.'"

Looking forward to the year 2001. ChristianNerds writes "Atari Magazine is serving up an article written in 1989 concerning what the next century would be like. From the article: 'A typical morning in the year 2001: You wake up, scan the custom newspaper that's spilling from your fax, walk into the living room. There you speak to a giant screen on the wall, part of which instantly becomes a high-quality TV monitor. When you leave for work, you carry a smart wallet, a computer the size of a credit card. When you come home, you slip on special eyeglasses and stroll through a completely artificial world.' They got a great deal right, like the spread of optical disk usage, the internet (ISDN), and parallel processing."

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  1. If by 2008 we'll be finally using IPv6 by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I guess I can quit holding my breath.

    I remember last century wondering if IPv6 would ever get implemented.

    Guess a few billion Chinese with email addresses and IP-enabled devices probably forced the issue, huh? That plus the fact that my fridge, toaster, TV, computers, and microwave oven all have IP addresses ...

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  2. IPv6 by wesw02 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I my self have not yet messed with IPv6, but I am curious if anyone knows of or works for a business that is currently using IPv6, if so what issues are you having with it?

  3. Wow. It did happen. by Teresh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Looking forward to the year 2001. ChristianNerds writes "Atari Magazine is serving up an article written in 1989 concerning what the next century would be like. From the article: 'A typical morning in the year 2001: You wake up, scan the custom newspaper that's spilling from your fax, walk into the living room. There you speak to a giant screen on the wall, part of which instantly becomes a high-quality TV monitor. When you leave for work, you carry a smart wallet, a computer the size of a credit card. When you come home, you slip on special eyeglasses and stroll through a completely artificial world.' They got a great deal right, like the spread of optical disk usage, the internet (ISDN), and parallel processing."

    I get custom RSS feeds, that pretty much counts as a custom newspaper for me. I've seen voice-controlled switches and HDTVs, wouldn't surprise me that some people have connected the two. American Express makes Blue, a credit card that is quite really a computer. I haven't seen the virtual world like described, but most MMORPGs would count if your monitor is big enough.

    Wow. I never thought predictions of the new millennium would be accurate. Turns out they were mostly right. :O

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  4. 2001: A web oddysey by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The prediction guys aren't quite wrong. they just got some ideas 10 or 20 years ahead.

    Voice recognition: Check.
    E-paper on the wall: Kinda, but the technology's there.
    3-D glasses: Well um...

    Vast amounts of information: "With instant referencing of thousands of volumes of information, computing will be like working with an army of electronic elves, all ready to fetch in a flash any tidbit you like."

    They got it half right... had they thought about the internet, they might have figured about Google and Wikipedia. No, Encarta doesn't count. It sucks :P

    "It'll also allow you to store audio and video". DivX - check :)
    ""You'll be able to capture segments of a show you like, cut them out, and put them in a video report for school."
    TiVo is here :) but companies' interests kinda screwed that up. However, Google video search is here, too :)

    Hmmm. Pretty interesting.

    1. Re:2001: A web oddysey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >""You'll be able to capture segments of a show you like, cut them out, and put them in a video report for school."

      Ha! And you'll get hit with an IP lawsuit the very next day... (if it takes then even *that* long).

    2. Re:2001: A web oddysey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Do you say encarta sucks because encarta sucks, or do you say encarta sucks because it is the slashdrone thing to say? Personally I have stopped using Wikipedia because with recent events, I can no longer be certain that anything that I read there has not been tainted by someone with an agenda.

      Do you know of a source where you can be CERTAIN that nothing will be tainted by someone with an agenda?

      [cue hazy comments about degrees of certainty]

      In my opinion, that bit about having thousands of electronic elves working for us has come true pretty precisely, not just half right. Too bad most seem to take it all for granted now. I wish I had the internet when I was 8, or even 15. Having to wait until my mid 20s was BS and I blame God, the government, evolution, cmndrtaco, and a few other people/things/principles.

  5. Uhhh, not quite so easy. by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It would mean they'd have to reclassify all of the planets without stars for the same reason. And nobody is going to seriously suggest that a gas ball 100s of times the size of Jupiter is an asteroid or a comet. For a start, the press would crucify them.


    It would be reasonable to define a planet in terms of composition and structure (and I've argued that case before) - the problem with that is that you'd need to define something as an unknown until you actually did enough of a geological survey to determine those things. I'm not sure NASA or the ESA would object too loudly, provided they got the funding. Missions like that make for great photo ops, as well as good science. Astronomers would likely complain, though, as it would mean they couldn't prove anything (other than gas giants) were planets.


    Actually, when you get right down to it, NASA and the ESA have more money and more political clout than the IAU, so maybe that would actually be practical to enforce.

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    1. Re:Uhhh, not quite so easy. by Almost-Retired · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And nobody is going to seriously suggest that a gas ball 100s of times the size of Jupiter is an asteroid or a comet.

      I suggest you analyze that statement better, a lot better. Jupiter is now large enough that one could say it missed being a star in its own right by only 3 or 4 of its masses. 100 times more massive and this system would have been a binary system visible from 5% of the way across the visible universe by the likes of Hubble. In fact I would expect, since that would still make it smaller than our own star, the sun, it would be a quite long lived binary and be lighting up our night sky after 5 billion years a heck of a lot brighter than its current albedo does...

      I think the question then would have to be, would life have developed on this planet if it had a second, albeit dimmer, sun to impart energy to it in the varying amounts resulting from the interplay of orbits, or would that increased Jovian mass have perturbed the orbits of the rest of the planets such that most of them were eventually ejected long before a stable environment that lead to life had been achieved?

      It would be an interesting whatif to work out by someone with experience in orbital mechanics, to simulate both the environment and the orbital effects of a 100 times more massive Jupiter that just happened to fire up its internal fusion fires on the rest of this system over the last 5 billion years.

      Interesting indeed.

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  6. Re:10th planet by Petrushka · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I figure if you take UB313 as having a density of 6 kg/m^3 (very dense) and diameter 340,000 (largest estimate), and take its minimum distance from the sun (37 AU), it exerts roundabout the same gravitational force on the sun as an object of about 7 x 10^14 kg at a distance of 1 AU from the sun.

    So by your definition Phobos and Deimos - at a distance of 1.3 to 1.7 AU from the sun - would both be planets.

    In case anyone isn't aware, Phobos and Deimos are really small ...

  7. Re:10th planet by n54 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interesting idea but as other replies have pointed out it would need more details and some sort of excuse for rogue planets.

    Personally I'm not overly concerned about the classification debate but privately I view any object with large enough mass to compress itself by gravity into a spheroid shape as a planet unless it orbits another such planet in which case I see it as a moon. Yes that means Ceres is a planet imo and that Pluto/Charon is a double moon with two additional moons P1 & P2... lol at least the discussion should show people how diverse our solar system is :)

    If one takes spheroid shape as the starting point one can still continue the debate to ones hearts delight by arguing over subgroups such as "miniature planets" and what should be the criteria for each subgroup.

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  8. Sorry: if potato-shaped things can't be planets... by tlambert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sorry: if potato-shaped things can't be planets...

    Then we physicists are in a lot of trouble: the only thing we ever teach students to calculate moments of inertia on are rigid bodies. And, as any physicist knows, "a general rigid body is a potato-shaped object, able to undergo rotational and translational motion. It may be considered to be assembled out of a large number of point masses."

    The only way any of these calculations make sense for planets is if we assume planets are also potato-shaped.

    We can only thank God the Michelson-Morley experiment proved once and for all that the Earth was at the center of the universe by demonstrating that an Earth-based experment observed no drift through the luminiferous aether, or we'd all be in deep doo-doo...

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  9. Re:10th planet by jonadab · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > Yes, this would work, if you, for some reason, wanted to arbitrarily limit the
    > number of Heliocentric planets to nine

    The problem here is that the number of known small iceballs out there past Neptune is growing fairly rapidly, and if we classify them all as planets, we'll no longer be able to teach elementary school children the list of planets.

    Personally, I think Pluto should be grandfathered in just because it was classified as a planet before its size was known, but apart from Pluto anything with less than about 5% of Earth's mass should be considered a "minor planet" or "planetoid" if it's roughly spherical, a comet if it has a "tail" pointing away from the primary more than about twice its diameter in the other direction (at periapsis), or an asteroid (or meteoroid, or speck of dust if it's really small). This is all assuming that the bulk of its acceleration relative to the rest of the system is due to the gravitational pull of a primary; if a planet has a larger impact on its motion than the primary does, then it's a moon. (That leaves the definition of "primary" to be sorted out later, but for the purposes of the solar system the Sun is obviously the only primary.)

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  10. Re:10th planet by sbaker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Astronomers and their ilk simply need to abandon terms like 'planet', 'moon' and possibly even 'star' and invent new words with precise meanings. It's not uncommon to have to do this in science when the meaning of old words becomes impossibly difficult to deal with.

    Non-scientists have words like 'butterfly' and 'moth' - which have no clear scientific distinction - we also make distinctions where there are none. In common parlance, we orbit a "Sun" - not a "Star". Stars are little dots in the sky - but a sun is a huge nearby thing. ...until we imagine ourselves ourselves are close by a distant star - when we'll want to call it a 'Sun' again. When we sit on a sunny day on some extrasolar planet, we'll still say "What a nice day it is, the sun is shining"...no matter how much the astronomers complain about it.

    So scientific rigor can only be satisfied by making new words with rigerous definitions - rather than trying to pin down arbitary non-scientific historical usage of existing words.

    If they allow new solar-orbiting bodies to be called planets then whatever cutoff they choose will be utterly arbitary. If they define Pluto to not be a planet then a few billion people will have learned the wrong thing in school and a similar number of books will now be *WRONG* for no other reason than we decided to make them wrong. You can't easily change what people believe to be a fact - and you certainly can't re-publish a billion text books.

    So: Pluto is a "Planet" because it always was one. Astronomers should not care a damn about whether the 10th 'thing' is a planet or not because the word 'planet' and 'asteroid' carry about as much distinction as 'butterfly' and 'moth' or 'sun' and 'star'.

    They just need new words.

    We can do this - and it's easier than arguing about definitions of commonplace words that do not have (and never have had) a formal definition.

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