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Greek, U.S. Officials Tapped For Years

Bruce Schneier posts on a story being reported in the Seattle Intelligencer. Greek and U.S. officials in Greece apparently had their phones tapped for over a year before the 2004 Olympics. From the article: "It was not known who was responsible for the taps, which numbered about 100 and included Greek Prime Minister Costas Caramanlis and his wife, and the ministers of foreign affairs, defense, public order and justice. Most of Greece's top military and police officers were also targeted, as were foreign ministry officials and a U.S. embassy number. Also tapped were some journalists and human rights activists." Schneier gives a bit of technical background on how the tapping was accomplished.

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  1. Re:Well duh by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You don't tap foreign officials for things to be "admissible in court" - you tap them so that you get the information of what their plans are. Of course, in some states no-party phone taps are legal (I believe that Arizona is one - I'd have to recheck) if you own the phone service, and in most states one-party phone taps are legal (tough luck people of California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Massachusetts, Maryland, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington who want to tap a phone call that they're taking part of). None of these would cover tapping someone who'se phone you didn't own, but then again, the federal government tapping a foreign government's phones doesn't fall under the jurisdiction of domestic wiretap law.

    Really, though, is this such a surprise? I'd think a foreign government would have to be bloody daft to accept any sort of tech built in the US where any sensitive communication is going to take place. You can make a no-click phone tap from a modem; you think that the US government can't do better? Or do you think that the Bush admin has the scruples not to tap its allies?

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  2. Re:Interesting by pilgrim23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or, are their specific areas of the phone ROM designed for including new and inovative istructions as our fearless leaders (or paying advertisers) require?

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  3. Why can't we have... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a phone conversation encryptor?

    Actually the idea is as old as the MAD magazine, but with today's technology it could be implemented using public keys and a tiny modem in the headset.

    voice -> data -> public-key encrypted data -> voice.

    Ta-da! :D

    1. Re:Why can't we have... by utexaspunk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Could one not make 2 encryption devices that would go on either end of the phone conversation that are pre-populated with identical large sets of random data to be used as a one-time pad? Or some kind of real-time random number generators that share a common seed? Seems like that would be pretty tough to crack...

  4. First rule of phone tapping: by DysenteryInTheRanks · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The first rule of surveillance is this: Always bug yourself.

    "Omykod, neighbor, I just discovered a webcame in MY shower, too! Chekkidout!"

    "Wow dude, someone put that same keylogger on my laptop, too! Here it is, right in the process list on my Windows Task Manager!"

    "Greek Allies: Thank you for sharing your concerns that we were behind the recent suspicious rerouting of cell phone calls made by your top government officials. As you can see from the attached mobile phone company records, our embassy has been a victim of this heinous eavesdropping as well. We look forward to working with you to find the Real Perpetrators. Sincerely, CIA Field Chief -REDACTED-"

    1. Re:First rule of phone tapping: by killerdark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can think of an other group who from a historical point of view has interest in what is going on during the Olympics. Remember Munich? I think they are more likely to be involved in this.

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  5. Why is this surprising? by MikeRT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These games are played all the time by foreign intelligence services. The most important question here is, if this was not a Greek agency that was behind the wiretapping, why didn't Greek counterintelligence know about this for so long?

  6. Re:So? by javaxman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    honestly who the hell cares about this? People are getting tapped constantly in the US and elsewhere, how is this story even remotely interesting

    It's interesting in many ways :

    - it confirms what was previously just expected/suspected.

    - The way in which it was done ( by installing software on the carrier's cell network that 'conferenced in prepaid phones' ) is definitely interesting.

    - It was discovered.

    Oh, and I've not read this anywhere else, but there's a post here which gives a few other details, including the mysterious "suicide" of one of the local security officials... not that I can tell you that it's anything real other than some radom dude posted something here, but still, that's interesting too, especially if true.

    Anyway, I find it much more interesting than another RIM article or another CSS&HTML book review.

  7. Re:Who fucking cares? by Cheapy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am going to tell a little story.

    Once upon a time, there was a dike. It was just a simple dike, nothing special. The dike was built, as dikes are, to stop water from flowing all over. One day though, someone decided to break a little bit of the dike. Nothing too drastic. Just a little water flowing out. What's the harm, y'know? In fact, it's helpful to the people nearby, since they get some free water! Thus, the whole wasn't fixed. But this little hole soon started to get larger. Alright...well the people are getting more free water now! But this hole kept on getting larger. Eventually, the hole was so large that the dike was of no use anymore. All the people who were getting free water could now be found under that water.

    Now, to come back to the topic at hand: What happens when the government finds out that it is "okay" to eavesdrop on its own citizens? That the people don't care one bit about the whole thing. The government starts to do it more often. Eventually, it is too large to stop. I could very well bring up the Nazis, but I'd prefer to not violate Godwin's law.

    Stories such as these raise awareness to the fact. I remember reading a comment earlier today about how the RIAA was purposely initiating frivolous lawsuits (Such as suing the person who never used a computer.) simply to remind people that they are still actively hunting those 'evil pirates.' The more people are aware, the more they participate. For example, in the late-1700s and early-1800s, the literacy rate throughout Europe started to rise. At the same time, the level of participation within politics also rose. One of the primary causes of the French Revolution (and the Terror that followed) was the use of newspapers to raise awareness amongst the populace.

    Nowadays, awareness is the first step toward action.

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  8. Precedent counts for something by ianscot · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In the U.S., we're talking about a nation that seems to have bugged members of the U.N. Security Council before the big vote on a second Iraq resolution. Hans Blix, the weapons inspector, also thought he'd been tapped by U.S. spy agencies.

    It's not like the Executive Branch has just asserted its right to basically do what it pleases in the name of fighting terrorism, is it?

    I understand your list of usual suspects, but something on the level of what's described doesn't sound like the Russians. Why would they do it? (And to the same objection about the States -- they've already proven their willingness and ability...)

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  9. I think it was CIA by NigelJohnstone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There was 1 phone in the US embassy bugged too. 1? Why only 1? Why only the USA Embassy?
    I reckon that's either to test it, or so it could be denied later ('well we were bugged too').

    If it was Israel, China etc, I bet they'd bug all the western embassies - it would just be an extra line in a configuration file.

    Plus I know a few Ericsson switch engineers and they are all US or UK contract staff which rules out China or Russia to me (but maybe that has changed, maybe Ericsson use Russian staff now?) and Turkey Cyprus or Albania, forget it! Where would they get switch engineers from?

    I hate to jump to conclusions too, but it looks highly likely, especially given the domestic spying without warrant in the USA, and the UN Kofi Annan spying incident, and the claimed kidnapping of Greek citizens by US & UK agencies.

  10. Re:A few questions for Bush by stupidfoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your sig:
    Gods don't kill people, people with gods kill people.

    Those crazy super religious communists and facists! Killing all those millions of people in the name of Jesus! The mass murders of the 20th century, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot etc etc all were religious zealots!

    Oh... wait a second. Erhh...