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SuitSat Not Looking Good So Far

Hulboy writes "According to the SuitSat website, things aren't going well for the makeshift satellite in it's first few hours. 'Reports of nothing heard from Israel, Turkey, South Africa, and two negative reports from Japan as well as the weak report below. JH3XCU reports signal only heard in SSB mode, TX cycle and doppler detectable, but no modulation... this is not looking good.'

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  1. More informative links... by max99ted · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...since the linked article is a whole 5 sentences:

    The suit itself: http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/articles/BauerSuits at/index.php

    People that heard suitsat - looks like it went offline about 1hr 15min into flight.

    http://suitsat.org/

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  2. Altairian Confederation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh. We thought it was trash and scooped it up. Sorry. We'll drop it off somewhere the next time we're back to probe some rednecks.

  3. Not going well? Not going at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Two orbits and it was fucked.

    My bet: there was something aboard ISS that was unsafe (alien maybe, bad yogurt experiment, etc) that needed to be dumped ... why not stuff it in a suit, put some weak radio shit in there, and ... call it an EXPERIMENT!!! For the science and the children!! Think of the children!!!!!

      confirm you're not a script,
    please type the word in this image:"tiring" ... got that right.

    1. Re:Not going well? Not going at all. by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Two orbits and it was fucked.

      This wasn't the most scientific mission possible, but instead something people thought would be fun. It was kicked out the door of the ISS, basically, which means the trajectory wasn't exactly guaranteed. There was no way to ensure that it wasn't going to get hit by orbital debris -- a paint fleck on one extremity would have at least sent it spinning and significantly altered its course -- or even that it would be in something resembling a stable orbit, even for a few days.

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    2. Re:Not going well? Not going at all. by Clueless+Moron · · Score: 4, Informative
      a paint fleck on one extremity would have at least sent it spinning and significantly altered its course

      Low earth orbit velocity is 7800m/s. The most likely, and worst way, to get hit by a paint fleck is to get hit by one in the same orbit but in the opposite direction, which would be a delta vee of 2*7800m/s.

      Let's be really generous and say a paint fleck weighs 1g and hits the suitsat (say 100kg) dead on. By conservation of momentum, the suit's velocity will decrease from 7800m/s to... 7799.844 m/s.

      In other words, it'll still be at 99.998% of it's original velocity. I won't bother calculating how little the fleck could have affected the spin, because it's not like the suit was spin stabilized to begin with. Spin fade was expected to begin with. The only significance of the fleck is that it would cause the suit to (slowly) depressurize, but more importantly possible trash the equipment if it was in the way.

      My guess is that since the equipment wasn't really designed for this kind of orbital abuse: the nasty temperature shift between night and day just caused caused some circuitry to fail from thermal expansion. Or perhaps the suit leaked; the equipment wasn't designed to work in a hard vacuum.

  4. Re:I hope there wasn't a monkey or by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny

    some other lab animal.. that would really suck if we couldn't talk to them during their final descent.

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  5. Re:I hope there wasn't a monkey or by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny
    No, but apparently it had one of those "Hello from planet Earth!" CDs. I'm not sure why. :^P
    Frank Bauer, KA3HDO, AMSAT Vice President of Human Spaceflight, and ARISS Chairman, says SuitSat's payload will also include a CD containing hundreds of school pictures, artwork, poems, and student signatures from schools all over the world--Japan/Asia, Europe, Russia, Canada, US, South America and Africa.
    Maybe the RIAA thought it had pirated MP3 files and shot it down?
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  6. Two things... by DaedalusLogic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is the ISS (Internaional Space Station)

    The suit is an old Russian space suit.

    So take your comment and cram it... I also hate that everyone presumes that when smart people conduct an experiment that they expect a successful result. Anyone who has worked in research can tell you that is just flat out wrong. I've had projects go completely wrong and still learned a great many things from them. It's like Edison's remark about knowing a multitude of new ways NOT to manufacture a lightbulb... It's just as important in making the journey to accomplish the goal successfully.

    1. Re:Two things... by Plunky · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This wasn't an "experiment" this was "throwing a radio out an airlock as a PR stunt". The fact that they failed at even something that simple is rather sad.

      Incredibly, you are wrong!

      1. If this was an experiment to see what would happen, then thats ok - they found that out!

      2. If this was a publicity stunt, thats ok too.. This is the publicity!

  7. I'm not quite dead yet!!! by LineGrunt · · Score: 4, Informative

    People ARE reporting very weak contacts.

    (Although some people are clearly mistaking the signals coming from the ISS with the SatSuit too).

    So it is likely that the suit is still on the air, but radiating a lot lower signal than they planned.

    I'm still planning on trying to hear it the next two passes here. 11 degrees and 72 degrees. Don't have fancy az/el antennas, but I've worked the ISS and AO-27 from here so I should stand a chance.

    Grunts away!

  8. Re:Another piece of junk by DoctorStarks · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Every time we do something trivial like this, it means cleaning it all up later is going to be that much more difficult.

    The ISS is in a low enough orbit (~400km) that this thing will not be there for very long. The odds of it causing a problem before it re-enters are very very small. At most, it will "only" take a few years to re-enter.

    It's the stuff that gets left higher up that poses real risk, hence the change in attitude about blowing things up when you are done with them, and the desire to save fuel on spacecraft with propulsion to facilitate a controlled re-entry if possible (although that is also for safety reasons with big stuff that might hit somebody).

  9. Still alive but weak by CaptainBJones · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was up at 0355L this morning to catch the second (and best) pass to see if I could hear anything and heard nothing... BUT I gave it another shot at 1021L this morning and heard data (somewhat strong at one point...) but not enough to decode. So there still is hope... As for another piece of junk floating around up there it will fall back to earth in about 6 weeks...

  10. I work at ISS Mission Control in Houston... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... and was able to sneak out a copy of a comm transcript. TDRS picked up the signal at S+30 minutes (*).

    SuitSat (SS): (static) ... not funny guys. Houston, EVA3, do you read? ISS, EVA3, do you read? Come on guys, pick me up.

    CAPCOM: EVA3, Houston. Please maintain radio silence.

    SS: Houston! EVA3. EVA1 and EVA2 insisted that I maintain radio silence during my initiation, too. However, they haven't picked me up yet, and the SAFER pack does not seem to be functional.

    CAPCOM: EVA3, Houston. We have lost signal from the experimental AMSAT transmitter you are carrying. Is it suffering from an obvious malfunction?

    SS: I had to remove its battery to power my suit. It lost power ten minutes after I was thrown overboard.

    CAPCOM: EVA3, replace the transmitter's battery. Completion of its transmission was a condition of the low fare on your secret flight.

    SS: Houston, the contract didn't state that I'd be free-floating without power during the transmission!

    CAPCOM: Look Bass, why do you think we only charged to for a one-way flight?

    SS: GAAAAAH! F*@$ you all, and all of Houston too, you dirty (LOSS OF SIGNAL)

    PAO thought we should keep this under wraps, but I think the word needs to get out. Our new adminstrator deserves a metal for this.

    (*): "Spacing plus thirty minutes."

  11. Re:Another piece of junk by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The SuitSat is not a problem ... really. It's in an unstable LEO, probably tumbling all over the place, impacting all sort of other small debris. If anything, it'll clean a little bit of the crap out of its way as it comes down and burns up.

    Now, if you want to talk about dangerous space junk, where you want to look is up in the higher orbits, the so-called "nuclear safe" ones. The Soviets had a series of spy satellites that (because they didn't want to have big solar panels on them in such low orbits) had nuclear reactors. Not RTGs, honest to god liquid-metal cooled nuclear reactors. They had a system to eject the reactor cores into high orbits before the satellites re-entered (which sometimes didn't work -- one of them contaminated quite a bit of Northern Canada). But even when the systems did work, the result was a rather largish chunk of very radioactive material in high orbit.

    I'm sure there is probably a lot of other dangerous junk floating around out there, too. If you want to talk about space debris, it's out in the higher orbits that you really need to look. Especially because those are the places where you'd probably want to assemble a large space station (or park big, expensive satellites with large solar collectors), and that stuff doesn't like getting hit by old crap.

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  12. Re:Equipment by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Exactly. It WAS recieved by many hams with the right gear. A friend of mine that works sattelites all the time was able to get a decent signal and could tell it was suitsat but the audio was garbled because what he said was "the suit must be spinning wierd". He was using a home brew ALT/AZ setup with a nice 2 meter quad and a tower mounted Recieve Preamp.

    Everyone trying with their $12.00 radio shack scanner will be very dissapointed.

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  13. Ignorance is bliss by hausmaus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Evidently most of the people who've replied on here don't have a clue about amateur radio either. A big part of amateur radio is experimentation and if it doesn't work, you figure out why and do it again. Hopefully with your adjustments, corrections and redesigns your experiment will become a working item. After all, how do you think all the neat modes in amateur radio were developed? Trial and error.

    Most /.ers have no clue about working QRP (low power radio)-I mean, the thing is miles above earth transmitting on 500mW of power. Some personal stereos put out more power than that.

    But, if anyone checks, there's another unused spacesuit and more equipment on the ISS. Oh, by the way, it's ARISS (Amateur Radio on the International Space Station) http://www.rac.ca/ariss that did this, not NASA.

    If people RTFA and do a little more reading about the news stories http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2006/02/03/103/, they just might notice little things.

    It's amazing how stupid most of these people on /. are about anything that doesn't have to do with Linux or MP3s.

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