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King Tut Killed by a Knee Infection?

adminsr writes to tell us the Discovery Channel is reporting that an Egyptian-led research team claims to have found compelling new evidence relating to the cause of death of King Tutankhamen From the article: "According to the Italian doctors, it was likely that King Tut suffered a violent blow, most likely by a sword. The blow would have lodged gold fragments from the decorations of the Pharaoh's armour or dress into the knee."

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  1. Obvious... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Never demonstrate how your subjects should bow down to you while holding a sword.

  2. So... by Darlantan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does this mean that King Tut developed 'Gold Fever'?

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  3. Easy Discovery by imoou · · Score: 3, Funny

    King Tut's left index finger is pointing at his wound.

  4. form vs. function by quintesson · · Score: 4, Funny

    This must have set the gold armour industry back centuries.

    1. Re:form vs. function by darkmeridian · · Score: 2

      Once a king went jousting wearing a gold visor. Well, gold's expensive, but not exactly hard--in fact, pure gold is very malleable. Long story short, king gets hit in gold visor, visor shatters, piece hits eye, king dies. Lesson: if you happen to be Medieval royalty, wear goldfoiled steel (or iron) armor.

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    2. Re:form vs. function by ultranova · · Score: 3, Funny

      Lesson: if you happen to be Medieval royalty, wear goldfoiled steel (or iron) armor.

      Better yet, wear perfectly ordinary steel armor. That way every enemy archer won't be able to aim at you from the other end of the battlefield. Wearing an armor that screams "target me !" just to appease your vanity is a really stupid thing to do.

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    3. Re:form vs. function by bipolarpinguino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or just do what leaders do today and not goto war at all and sit on your fat ass at home.

    4. Re:form vs. function by jrockway · · Score: 4, Funny

      > Wearing an armor that screams "target me !" just to appease your vanity is a really stupid thing to do.

      Modern day parallel: iPod headphones.

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  5. Obligatory Bangels reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    It must have been difficult to "Walk like an Egyptian" after that.

    Right, I'll get my coat.

  6. Could it be.... by d474 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that King Tut was killed by the "Knights That Say 'Ni'!"?

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    1. Re:Could it be.... by reverseengineer · · Score: 4, Funny
      ...that King Tut was killed by the "Knights That Say 'Ni'!"?



      All that golden splendor, but killed for want of a shrubbery. Tragic, really.

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  7. Interesting by mabu · · Score: 3, Funny

    I find it very interesting that Italian doctors are speculating King Tut had a knee injury. Maybe he had a few outstanding debts from gambling on some camel races?

  8. We're privileged by SigILL · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's interesting about this is that in king Tut's days wounds like that generally were lethal. How privileged we are living in this modern age (and having access to anti-biotics)!

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    1. Re:We're privileged by Tx · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's interesting about this is that in king Tut's days wounds like that generally were lethal. How privileged we are living in this modern age (and having access to anti-biotics)!

      Yeah, I think that every time I'm in a sword fight! ;)

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    2. Re:We're privileged by yogikoudou · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed we are.
      More information about this:
      I saw a documentary a few weeks ago on the death of Tutankhamun, and they were coming to this conclusion as well. The first hypothesis were that he had been killed, as a piece of bone was missing at the back of his skull; blood was also present around this hole. It turned out that it might have been made during embalming.
      They were also speculating on the many fractures the mummy presented. They were annoyed by the really bad general state of the body, mainly because the first people to discover it cut it into pieces to move it easily (it was stuck by dried body and embalming fluids in the golden coffin). This didn't help them in thei search for lethal wounds, until they found this piece of bone near the knee.
      The king broke his leg near the knee, and died about a week later (they know it by looking at the amount of cartilage that started to grow on the broken bone).
      Their conclusion was that this wound wouldn't have been lethal in our days, thanks to antibiotics.
      It was a really interesting documentary, and quite a fascinating search (determining the cause of death 3300 years after it happened).

  9. I think.. by seabre · · Score: 5, Funny

    death due to pimp accessories is pretty bad ass.

  10. Worlds first Bling death by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    the blow would have lodged gold fragments from the decorations of the Pharaoh's armour or dress into the knee."

    And the writing was litterally on the wall.

    Kids dont do bling.

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  11. How many ways can the guy die? by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can't we get a better source for these things than the discovery channel? I rarely watch TV and yet I have STILL seen three documentaries explaining how King Tut died, all in different ways. Died from an infection due to gold dust? I guess it is possible, but it seems fairly far fetched to me. Is there a reason that they didn't publish their findings in a regular journal like Nature or Science or whatever journal Egyptologists use? The whole thing seems rather like fools gold to me.

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    1. Re:How many ways can the guy die? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      The whole thing seems rather like fools gold to me.

      Yeah, kind of like a pyramid scheme.

    2. Re:How many ways can the guy die? by stonecypher · · Score: 4, Informative

      No no, the gold dust didn't cause the infection. Gold is a noble metal, and is non-toxic. It's just that we found little gold bits embedded in his knee that look like pieces of armor, and that means he got stabbed or slashed, and back in those days, that pretty much always meant infection anyway. With that context, what is known about how he died makes much more sense, and so now a knee infection - the gold is just evidence of the wound - is the most likely cause of death.

      Is there a reason that they didn't publish their findings in a regular journal like Nature or Science or whatever journal Egyptologists use?

      Er, they did. Slashdot just doesn't cover those. Thing is, we *do* cover physics journals, and the method they used to detect the gold in the first place is of interest to physicists. This also got into medical journals and traveller's journals (national geographic being the only traveller's journal most people recognize.)

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  12. 19? by daivdg · · Score: 4, Informative
    ...1333 B.C., at the age of nine, and reigned until his death in 1325 B.C., aged 19...

    Wouldn't he have been 17 or 18?

    1. Re:19? by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 2, Informative

      Looks like an editor typo. Wikipedia says his reign began in 1334 BC not 1333 BC.

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  13. Nuts by Ranger · · Score: 4, Funny

    First scientists announce they think the Ice Man, Oetzi was infertile. How could they know that? And now they are saying King Tut was killed by a knee infection. Had they not lived two thousand years apart on different continents. They could have hypothesized that King Tut kneed Oetzi in the nuts so hard it sterilized him. Oetzi in an attempt to fend off the blow was holding either an arrowhead or flint knife at just the wrong angle so that it cut King Tut's knee and cut off his testicles at the same time. But solving historical mysteries aren't that easy.

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  14. Funky Tut by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Must've sustained the injury during his move from Arizona to Babylonia

  15. Re:Hmm... by belg4mit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Silver is. Gold is largely inert; this is the reason it's used for
    teeth, electrical contacts, etc. Of course it's possible the body
    could still simply recognize it as being foreign and try to fight
    it but it'd just make a lot of puss I think. Undoubtedly something
    else could've entered at the same time.

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  16. Re:How about the 130 walking sticks??? by stonecypher · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who said anything about unusual? For that matter, who said anything about an arrowhead? Tutankhamen was believed to have died from a blow to the head which led to partial paralysis, hence the walking sticks, but now we found scraps of gold in the knee which look like decorations from armor, suggesting he healed over a wound from presumably a sword which gave way to infection which killed him.

    How that got modded informative is beyond me.

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  17. Missing history by lifeisgreat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can't help but feel disappointed that for every new discovery surrounding Tut, his accomplishments and wealth were insignificant compared to the majority of Egyptian rulers. We'll barely know a fraction of what we could if their tombs were similarly intact.

    Just think of all the history that is gone forever - the Alexandrian library containing most of the world's knowledge up to that point, the slaughter of the Druids, who thanks to not having a system of writing took their people's knowledge rites and history with them to the grave, the Indus civilization which 5,300 years ago developed cities that were more sophisticated than many that Pakistan's and India's people currently live in, where the hell the Basque people came from and why their culture is so distinct from the rest of Europe, the origins of the Sphynx, and heck a lot more. All gone forever.

    1. Re:Missing history by drewxhawaii · · Score: 5, Funny

      this is the single most depressing thing i've read on /.

  18. Re:Armor? by stonecypher · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Armor that covered the knee? This was 1500 BC not AD.

    Actually, it was 1322. By the New Kingdom, Egypt had complex armor making capabilities. They were in fact distributing chariot armies all over the Senet area on a standardized-width rut road system, something typically attributed to Rome. Egypt had some fairly complex metallurgy practices, and even had rudimentary pit steel-making capabilities, though there were no surface iron deposits nearby for them to really use in the way that the Assyrians did.

    The reason you don't see armor on depictions of Egyptian warfare isn't a technological one in the sense that they didn't know how to make armor, but rather that the climate generally didn't allow for it - Egypt is fucking hot, and people would cook. Tutankhamen and other pharoahs wore armor as a ceremonial and last ditch protective thing (fat lot of good it did him,) and could get away with it because they were being moved in covered, shaded transportation vessels. Even then, several pharoahs are never depicted wearing armor - Seti I and Setnahke being good examples, shown wearing only normal clothes and the lapis crown.

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  19. Re:How about the 130 walking sticks??? by Skjellifetti · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Nat'l Geographic story on the CT scans debunks the head injury. IIRC, the Nat'l Geo TV special described the knee injury as bad enough that it ripped a knee cap off. There was some question about whether the knee injury was caused near time of death or was a result of Carter's butchery at time of discovery. Carter's team did a lot of damage to Tut, but the Nat'l Geo team found the presence of structures that demonstrated that the knee was trying to heal. From the size of the structures, which have a known rate of change, the team estimated that he died 3 days after the blow.

  20. Re:Hmm... by PatrickThomson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Probably not, you might be thinking of cis-platin, the anti-cancer drug, which contains platinum (of all things) but it bears as much resemblence to platinum as aspirin does to charcoal.

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  21. Re:How about the 130 walking sticks??? by wiresquire · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...but the Nat'l Geo team found the presence of structures that demonstrated that the knee was trying to heal."

    Perhaps the mummy was regenerating ?!!???!!!

    AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Run !! Must get away!

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  22. Not that minor by vlad_petric · · Score: 2, Informative
    His rule marked the transition from the "heretic" Atenism (worshiping of the Sun god as the only true god) of his father back to the old ways of the Egyptian religion. For example, his name was originally Tutankhaten (Living Image of Aten) but he changed it to Tutankhammun (Living Image of Ammun), to show that he abandoned the religion of his father [thanks wiki]. Those were really troubled times, so it's quite interesting to know why exactly he died.

    There's many things we don't know, starting with the origin of hommo sapiens. I personally consider historical non-determinism to make the subject much more interesting.

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  23. Answer by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

    Getting an infection in a joint like the knee is a Bad Thing, even in today's antibiotic infested world. The nasty little bacteria that were hanging around on the sword suddenly got stuck in a rich, tasty nutrient soup (blood and bone) and started to multiply like gangbusters. Unless the Egyptians knew to open the wound up and clean it out thorougly, the topical "antiseptics" that they had would be of little use. Just like putting an antibiotic cream on a deep wound.

    If Mr. Tut had wandered into a modern ER after some serious sword play he would have had the wound irrigated thoroughly, perhaps in the operating room where it could be opened up and inspected. He then would have been given IV antibiotics. And a large bill.

    So it's not too surprising that a little bit of honey or whatever didn't work out too well for him.

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  24. Another way to look at it ... by willtsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Well, perhaps he was just too rich to eat mouldy bread. Perhaps a peasent stone-mason would have survived the same wound.

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  25. Re:Armor? by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Armor doesn't have to be iron or steel. Leather, or just padded material have also been used. Wood has also been used in armor, as well as a number of other natural materials.
    People didn't wait for the late middle ages (which is where you would have found the classical plated steel armor one usually associates with the term) to seek protection from physical harm.

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  26. Re:Armor? by stonecypher · · Score: 2, Informative

    Your memory does serve you wrong. They had pit steel at the time. The bulk of armor in the day was bronze, due largely to availability. And no, it was lack of iron, not lack of iron technology. Doesn't matter if you know how to work it if you don't have much to speak of.

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  27. Throckmorton's Sign? by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 3, Funny

    "King Tut's left index finger is pointing at his wound."

    Is that sort of like "Throckmorton's Sign"?

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  28. A bit of background by kbahey · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, Tut was a minor figure in Egyptian history, despite his modern fame.

    This fame is due largely to the discovery of his tomb in the early 20th century by Howard Carter. What was unique is that it was about the only tomb of a pharoah to be found intact, i.e. unplundered.

    Tut's era was the New Kingdom last 4 centuries of the second millenium BC), one of three "peaks" in Egypt's ancient history. This same era saw more famous kings such as Ahmose (uniter of Egypt, expelling the foreign Hyksos), Hatshepsut (the female pharoah, who sent ships in the Red Sea and beyond, recording the discoveries on her temple), Thutmosis (the ancient Napoleon, who conquered as far as Mesopotamia, hunting elephants on the Euphrates), Amenhotep (great builder and diplomat), Akhnaten (the Heretic monotheist pharoah), Thutmosis IV (dream stele by the sphinx), Ramses II (2nd longest reign in Egyptian history), Merenptah (his son), and Seti.

    This was the golden age of Egypt, more than a millenium after the pyramids were build. Egypt expanded as never before.

    This was followed by an age of decline when the priests took over, and could not keep the invaders out (Libyans, Nubians, ...etc.).

    During this age, the priests plundered the tombs of previous pharoahs, "confiscating" the tomb wealth to use for current pharoahs and priests. Most of the mummies of royals from the New Kingdom were re-wrapped, and moved to central "caches". Those caches were discovered in the Kings Valley (KV) near Luxor, and the pharoahs identified, unwrapped, and moved to museums. All the treasures in the tombs was long gone (circa 1000 BC).

    This is why a relatively insignificant pharoah like Tut shot to fame. It seems that the priests lost track of where his tomb was, but some robbers have managed to cause minor damage to the external chamber in antiquity. Then Howard Carter came along and discovered the real treasure, and the rest is history.

    One could imagine how the likes of Ramses or Amenhotep were buried ...

    Read more here:

    - New Kingdom on wikipedia

    (Oh, yes, I am Egyptian, that is why ...)