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Cell Tracking on the Rise

An anonymous reader writes "ZDNet is reporting that with the recent advances in cell phone tracking tech more and more companies are using it to keep track of their employee's movements. From the article: 'The gains, say the converted, are many, ranging from knowing whether workers have been "held up" in the pub rather than in a traffic jam, to being able to quickly locate staff and reroute them if necessary. Not everybody is happy about being monitored, however, and civil rights group Liberty says the growth of tracking raises data privacy concerns.'"

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  1. Solution by tindur · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Divert the calls from your employer's phone to your own phone and turn off your employer's phone.

    1. Re:Solution by Jotham · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Divert the calls from your employer's phone to your own phone and turn off your employer's phone.
      nah, leave it on in your desk draw after diverted it... that way you're still busy working back late. :)

    2. Re:Solution by CaptainZapp · · Score: 5, Funny
      nah, leave it on in your desk draw after diverted it... that way you're still busy working back late. :)

      Nah, glue the phone to the next plane to Brasil, or another country with lenient extradition treaties.

      This should give the accounting department and the comptroller some pause.

      --
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      mit taschenrechner in der hand

      kraftwerk

  2. Just because you have a mobile doesn't mean by Biotech9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because you have a mobile doesn't mean that it has to be turned on.

    I'd gotten very used to always having a mobile on, being able to be contacted anywhere and at anytime. But I got rid of my mobile 3 years ago and haven't bothered getting a replacement, and it's been very refreshing to have to make appointments to meet people and so on.

    More realistically, if you have your own mobile, you can leave it on and have it with you 24/7. But a mobile from your job should be set to turn on at 9 and off at 5, if those are your hours. I'm shocked by how many people I work with allow their bosses to make them work outside of office hours by ringing them up and getting them to do errands in their own spare time. It's bad enough with European companies slowly moving towards the American model of unpaid lunch breaks that aren't even 30 minutes long, without also copying the 24/7 worker ethic.

    1. Re:Just because you have a mobile doesn't mean by h042 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, But I'm [paid to be] on call sometimes. The problem then is - I'm not officially "working", (so I'd rather not have them know where I am) but I could be called upon to work (so need to have the phone on).

      So the solution you outline is not universal.

    2. Re:Just because you have a mobile doesn't mean by Eivind · · Score: 4, Insightful
      But even that ain't ok. I expect a certain level of trust in me from my employer -- there's really no alternative to this anyway because *any* employee can screw the employer over (atleast somewhat) if he wants to anyway.

      An employer who is not willing to take my word for, for example, that it took 20 minutes longer from the airport back to work today than it does on the average is an employer I have no wish to work for. End of discussion.

  3. Re:Of course i'd complain by shotgunefx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's one thing for the police to locate you, it's another for employers to do so.

    I'm not concerned with people getting busted for doing things on work time that they should not, but it's the precedent it sets.

    --

    -William Shatner can be neither created nor destroyed.
  4. Outrageous by Big+Nothing · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At my current employment, I have refused receiving a company cell phone - I don't want my employer to reach me when I'm not at work! I CERTAINLY would not accept my employer tracking my movements! If the company I worked for implemented such a technology, I would quit - plain and simple.

    If my employer has any reason to believe that I'm screwing him, he can damn well take it up with me, not play Big Brother.

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    SIG: TAKE OFF EVERY 'CAPTAIN'!!
    1. Re:Outrageous by spot35 · · Score: 4, Funny

      All the words in parent post are english, I can see that, but...

  5. Read between the lines by DavidHOzAu · · Score: 5, Informative

    I read the article, but when reading between the lines I noticed that someone could track your cell phone without any sort technological upgrade on your phone. This means that the tracking technology is on the telco's side, and if they are now offering it as a reliable service to the public, it means that it has been around for a while... sounds like old technology to me. I guess all this means is that now businesses can do what the government has been doing for years. Face it guys, our privacy has been invade-able for a while, and there is little that we (the concerned public) can do about it.

    oblig.: "In Russia, you can always find a Cell Phone. In Soviet Britain, Cell Phone finds YOU!"

  6. The problem is.. by Sir+Pallas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That (more and more) companies think they own employees, rather than that they pay for their time. If someone never shows up to work on one time or has bad performance reviews, that's one thing; and if it gets bad, let them go. But where that employee is and what that employee does (when not working) is normally not the company's business. Not that any of this is a new idea on their part --- think company towns or migrant worker camps --- but technology now is making the "dream" a possibility, though hopefully not a reality.

  7. July Bombings? by Chris+Kamel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:
    There is increasing awareness about the importance of knowing where your staff are in case of incidents like the July London bombings.

    So what good exactly is businesses tracking employees on an incident like that?
    The range of things you can justify in fear of terrorist attacks never stops widening.

    --
    The following statement is true
    The preceding statement is false
  8. Isn't this a marketing opportunity.... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... for the US. Govt.? They could recoupe some of the development and deployment costs of their spy technology. Sell a complete Software/Hardware package for small operators and call it: Echelon (TM), Corporate edition.
     
    .... Uhummmmm...... Now where did I leave that copy of 1984?????

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    Only to idiots, are orders laws.
    -- Henning von Tresckow
    1. Re:Isn't this a marketing opportunity.... by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Funny
      Now where did I leave that copy of 1984?????

      In the drawer of the table in the alcove, comrade.

  9. Privacy by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 4, Informative

    Turning off the cell phone is not enough not to be traced.
    When you turn the cell phone off (or it is shutting down because of low battery), it nicely says the network is being shut down. So your evil tracer would know what you did.
    It is a much better solution to unplug the battery. The cell phone will suddenly disappear from the network as if you were passing through an uncovered area.
    And none could say where you are and why they don't know.
    The only cons are about the loss of some cell phone data (like the last calls details and so on). But we can afford such a loss for the sake of privacy, can't we?

    --
    Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
    For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
  10. Re:Of course i'd complain by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good, then let's install cameras throughout your house, bedrooms and bathrooms too. If you've got nothing to hide, you won't object. The cameras will make sure you aren't a pedophile with kidnapped children hidden in your house.

    If you object, clearly you are guilty since you said you wouldn't object if you had nothing to hide.

    Of course in keeping with the story, not only would the police have access to the cameras but your employer and coworkers as well.

  11. lame excuses by layer3switch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "An employee has to consent to having their mobile tracked. A company can't request to track a phone without the user knowing,"

    WTF? So if I DON'T consent, of course, on my annual employee's review, I won't be marked down with "TEAM PLAYER: -1" Riiiight....

    "Some businesses want to keep an eye on their staff. Some feel they have an obligation to know where staff are in case of emergencies,... There is increasing awareness about the importance of knowing where your staff are in case of incidents like the July London bombings."

    Huh? It's nice to know employers care about well being of emplyees, but seriously, what business of employer to track employees when something like "train bombing" occurs instead that of police? If that is the case, then health benifit and life insurance shouldn't be optional, but mandatory at work. Other wise, what does that really say? "We really care about your safty, but not really so much that we have to pay for your medicals."

    "Knowing where your nearest employee is to a customer is also important. It allows a company to improve efficiency."

    What? Any profession which requires (in my opinion) radio contact at all time may be useful in this case (such as EMT, police, fire fighters, cab drivers, doctors, field techicians, etc), but to improve efficiency on already shrunk-to-death workforce such as IT and sales (with high turnover)? Exactly how will that improve efficiency?

    Jim the employer: Tom, I know you are by 3rd St. Get over to 5th and 7th, the nearest customer site ASAP.
    Tom the employee: Jim, if you know where I am, you should know that I'm on a break and taking shit in a restroom.


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    "Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
  12. Re:Of course i'd complain by swilver · · Score: 5, Funny
    What exactly are you up to which you dont want us to know about?
    It could be anything, if you want to find out sign up for my webcam for $50/hour.
  13. Re:Easy solution by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've heard--though I could be mistaken--that even turning your phone off won't help. I don't know why; I know that it doesn't make sense.. it just sticks out in my mind as "one of those things that I've heard". Probably better, in that it's more paranoid, to remove the SIM card when you don't want to be tracked, since that's what this technology relies on.

    That won't help either! Each GSM phone has its own unique IMEI (International Mobile Equipment Identifier) number. Even if you remove your SIM card your phone can still access the network (you can use it for emergency call even if your SIM card is missing or invalid!) and it identifies itself by its IMEI. Roughly you can compare this to the hardware (MAC) address of your network adapter; even if you change your IP address, you can be tracked.

    The only way for 100% security is removing the battery. If you live in the USA, your phone should exchange no information with the network when it's switched off - that the FCC regulation. But if you don't live in the USA, there simply might not be such requirement at all, check local laws that apply. Besides, if you are tin-foil-hat-paranoid, you don't really think "they" care about the FCC, do you? So remove the battery and don't waste your time to toy with a SIM card, as long as "they" know you use this particular mobile phone, "they" can still track you even if you feel secure with anonymous prepaid SIM card.

  14. Employee Tracking Victim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to work for a company that used those little HID access cards. They had a system that could detect those cards in each room, so they knew where employees were at all times. Well, one week I had the flu, and since they denied my request for sick time, I was in the office, making frequent runs to the restroom (get it?). Later that week, my manager actually wrote me up because he had proof I was spending over an hour a day in the rest room, and accused me of being a goof off.

    So, I resigned and immediately sued them. It turns out that a jury is very sympathetic when it comes to a company forcing a sick employee to come to work, even with a medical diagnosis of the flu and doctor orders to stay home. They are especially generous when it comes to a company actually writing someone up for trying to deal with the symptoms.

    Of course, since they were a startup (what other kind of company would do something like that?), they didn't have enough cash for the settlement. They couldn't appeal because the local DA promised criminal charges if they did. Since they didn't have case, I settled for a majority stake in the company. I then sold it all to one of their competitors who took all of their IP and fired all of the executives, including the asshole who did that to me.

  15. Stasi used radiation and smell to track you. by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Interesting
    How would you track ppl smart enough not to have a phone?
    Think like an East German.

    East German secret police, the Stasi used scandium-46 with hidden radiation detectors to identify and track dissidents.
    West German deutschmark banknotes, documents, clothing and meeting rooms where heavily tagged.
    New Scientist, January 3, 2001

    http://www.leftwatch.com/archives/years/2001/00000 4.html

    They also used to get your odour by rubbing it onto a piece of fabric. They would then have a jar with your fabric in it.
    Trained dogs would then sniff you out.
    Stasiland by Anna Funder

    http://www.arlindo-correia.com/081203.html

    In Capitalist west phone irradiates you.
    In Communist East Germany you irradiate phone.

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  16. It's a short-term problem by ben_1432 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't worry if your employer can track your whereabouts. Soon Google will release GoogleTracker, which will be a beta service you can route your calls through.

    Of course, by using GoogleTracker you agree to allow non-humans to listen to your calls, for the purpose of identifying relevant ads.

    Privacy advocates are satisfied that Google will not track your movement. They are satisfied that Google already knows everything about you. Google spokesmen have reinforced this, saying, "Monitoring your calls would be like triple-wiping. There's only a slim chance we'll get more dirt from you."

  17. What about the stalker who works .... by rben · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...in the same office? The one who uses the company phone location service to pursue and harass women in the office. What about the abusive husband who works for the same company as his wife and locates the women's shelter because of the company cell phone? As can be demonstrated by many abuses, companies aren't very good at keeping this kind of data protected from people that shouldn't have it. It's going to end up causing a certain amount of grief and accompanying lawsuits.

    I'm sure that many people will accept this kind of intrusion into their privacy, simply because it will be a condition of employment. That giant stick that has been bashing holes in our personal privacy for some time now.

    This technology will undoubtedly provide some useful services, but it will also be abused. My guess is that it will take quite a lot of abuse before proper rules and restrictions are put in place so that people can control when they are being monitored.

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    -All that is gold does not glitter - Tolkien
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  18. Privacy is dead, join the fishbowl.... by jjh37997 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This wouldn't be such a bad thing if I could track the cell phones of the people who are tracking me. I really don't see what's so bad about letting my boss track me as long as I'm able to follow him around. It's the imbalance of power that's the main problem with typical surveillance. Want to track my movements with a camera? Go ahead.... but only if I get to know who's watching me and I have the ability to watch them back. An open and transparent society can make the world both safe and free. As it is now the powerful, well-connected and criminal can invade your privacy any time they want... privacy laws only prevent us from spying on them.