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Possible Breakthrough for AIDS Cure

kryonD writes "Researchers believe they have found a new compound that could finally kill the HIV/AIDS virus, not just slow it down as current treatments do. While most of the community is still hesitant to comment on this until it passes peer review, initial results show that their method attacks and kills ALL variations of the virus. A fast track through the FDA could have one of the world's leading problems licked in less than a decade."

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  1. Raised eyebrows by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a history of announcing big breakthroughs in science here in Utah by going to the press before appropriate peer review has taken place (Cold Fusion anyone?). Don't get me wrong, I would love to see this come through, but until it passes the peer review test, as a scientist, I will withhold my enthusiasm.

    In fact, any time I hear something potentially huge being hyped in the mainstream press before I hear about it in scientific journals, my eyebrows tend to rise a bit and I tend to be perhaps even more skeptical.

    "We have some preliminary but very exciting results [but] we would like to formally show this before making any claims that would cause unwanted hype."

    Uh...... yeah. That is why I am reading about it in the Salt Lake Tribune before hearing about it in Science or Nature?

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    1. Re:Raised eyebrows by megla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You pretty much summed up my take on this.
      If it truely does work, then it's a huge discovery - I just hope the "owners" can put aside huge profits for once, and make the drug available for as near cost as practicable.

    2. Re:Raised eyebrows by lebski · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah but if I came up with a cure for aids or workable cold fusion I think I might mention it to a few people in the time it took for peer review. So for that reason alone we can't discredit this. However that said; odds on its vapour.

    3. Re:Raised eyebrows by fireboy1919 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm with you in the skepticism. It's quite likely you're right.

      The thing that nags at my mind is that we have found wonderdrugs in the past.

      Penicillin, which could cure most kinds of bacterial infections, could be taken orally or as a salve, and it just got rid of the bacteria. It really was a wonder drug.

      And cowpox was just perfect. You just inject some, and you become immune to smallpox with basically no ill effects. These things weren't found by years of research; they were stumbled upon, and they just worked. So I'm not conceding the thing as impossible. I'm quite willing to admit that they've got something.

      All they'd have to do to convince me is to inject themselves with a pint or so of HIV infested blood.

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    4. Re:Raised eyebrows by bladernr · · Score: 4, Insightful
      but for the cure for a world epidemic, your belief of licensing such a drug is insane.

      I agree, but why stop there? Let's outlaw investment into curing diseases. That prevents all of these investors demanding a Return on Investment. No more conflict. Let's just leave them to making "useless shit like viagra".

      Don't think I'm saying we shouldn't cure disease. We should. Let's just disallow any money to be invested in curing disease, and only allow diseases to be cured for free. Doesn't that solve all of these problems?

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    5. Re:Raised eyebrows by CB-in-Tokyo · · Score: 4, Insightful


      I just hope the "owners" can put aside huge profits for once, and make the drug available for as near cost as practicable.

      I feel the need to comment on this last part. You definitely put it politely, so please don't feel this whole rant is directed at you, but I get tired of people who slag the Pharmaceutical industry for making profits. The dollars involved in reasearch and development are huge! On average it takes 1.8 Billion USD to bring an NME (new molecular entity) to market. The successes fund the next breakthroughs, the failures really hurt. If a pharma company is ever at risk of developing a product that could be forced to be sold as "cheaply as possible" that will weigh heavily on their decision to research it. It is business.

      What is better? 20 companies devoting billions of dollars to the creation of a cure in search of profits, or 2 devoting millions in search of altruism? I put my money on the 20 to come up with something faster. For those who feel like giving money away, whether they be companies, or individuals, they are more than welcome to do so when a cure has been discovered.

      Anyone who wants to say "Those big bad pharma companies should make little to no profit on their discoveries." is welcome to do so, but my reply to that is,

      "If you feel so strongly about it, do something yourself. Go out of pocket. Make a sacrifice. Take as much of your disposable income as possible and donate to an organization that will see to it that people get this cure."

      Most people aren't willing to do that. Most people would rather complain about Pharma. Personally, I think if someone comes up with a cure for this, they should get filthy stinking rich from it, or at least, make more than a pro golfer!

      Again, sorry, this wasn't meant to flame you, and as I said, your post was very polite about it, and certain parts of me agree with you, but I would rather see people pulling together and doing something than hiding behind the excuse that Big Pharma should save the world....and cheaply at that.

    6. Re:Raised eyebrows by werewolf1031 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Check my profile before making any assumption.

      He shouldn't have to. In fact, I'll so far as to say your profile is irrelevant. Everyone's is. Each comment must be judged on its own merits, and its context within the current discussion, regardless of who posted it or their profile or their previous posts in other threads or their journal entries or anything else equally non sequiter.

      Read what I post, son.

      That's exactly what he did, you're only pissed because he didn't like what you posted. And I too happen to agree with the mods on this one.


      Back on topic...

      I don't believe that "a fast track through the FDA" is ever advisable for any new drug meant for human consumption. Just because it has the potential to cure one of the world's modern plagues doesn't make the likelihood of harmful side effects any less probable. In fact, the huge demand for such a drug, and the massive use of it that will surely follow once (if) it passes through the FDA, should make the testing for potential side effects all the more important. I'm guessing more people would be using this drug than anything else the FDA has had to review and approve in quite a long time, if not ever, and I'm sure no one here wants millions of people across the world to suddely drop dead due to unforeseen effects down the road.

    7. Re:Raised eyebrows by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most people - and even companies have their priorities straight though.

      Drug companies spend more on marketing than they do on research and development - I think that sums up in a nutshell whats wrong here.

    8. Re:Raised eyebrows by Kombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd rather save lives and be poor than let people die becoming rich.

      Is that so? I hope you practice what you preach. "Rich" is quite subjective. A programmer making $35k/year in the US is "rich" by Bangalore standards. Should that programmer volunteer to send his job overseas, so that 2 or 3 Indians can be employed for the same money, thus allowing them to support their families while the US programmer is "poor"?

      Can I assume that you survive by eating the bare minimum of what you need to sustain you, while donating all the rest of your food to the local food bank? Can I assume that the few clothes you own are ragged and torn, since you would never indulge in something as frivolous and selfish as buying new clothes, when your old ones keep you warm enough? Can I assume you share a leaky, moldy basement apartment with 4 other martyrs, and you send all your spare cash to feeding the hungry in Africa?

      Get off your horse, you self-righteous hypocrite. If you live in the west, then you are already very "rich" by world standards. The very fact that you're using a computer right now demonstrates that you are in the wealthiest 10% of the entire planet. Why did you take the time to write that post, when you could have been down at the local soup kitchen helping feed the homeless, or at the library reading to/educating blind children?

      It's easy to talk big when you're still living off mommy and daddy's handouts, and you don't have to put your money where your mouth is. Even easier, when you hide that same mouth, Mr. "Anonymous Coward."

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    9. Re:Raised eyebrows by TallMatthew · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't believe that "a fast track through the FDA" is ever advisable for any new drug meant for human consumption.

      The term "fast track" suggests that thoroughness is compromised for sake of expediency. That's not the case. It's more like putting certain drugs at the top of the review list, prioritizing based on the lethalness of the disease in question. This doesn't even come into play until Phase 3 of human trials. I'm currently waiting on a Hep C drug that has shown a lot of promise and am very pleased that the FDA has decided to fast track it, as my liver will eventually fail and I will eventually die.

      As for this drug, they're about a million miles away. These results were produced in test tubes. I can kill HIV in a test tube with a cup of bleach. They haven't even started animal trials yet, let alone human. This kind of reporting is terribly irresponsible.

  2. More than just HIV by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This substance is a mimic of a current human body chemical, and attacks one hell of a lot more than just HIV- my guess is it will end one of two ways. It will either strip the body of everything including our normal colonies of beneficial bacteria and yeasts, and thus be too dangerous to use. Or it won't work for some mutation, and we'll still have a million or so HIV patients after it's in widespread use.

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  3. Fast Track by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As nice as it is to think that we have an AIDS cure, and that we don't have to worry about it anymore. But I think that rushing it through a FDA approval, without exploring its full consequences could be a little dangerous. If this drug was passed, and everybody who took it got rid of their AIDS, but developed some other condition which killed them in a year, then we'd all look a little stupid, and the drug company would probably be under a lot of scrutiny.

    Another thing though, is this drug patented, or will this be cheaply available for everyone who needs it, especially AIDS ravaged countried in Africa.

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  4. Don't break out the champagne just yet by winkydink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although so far limited to early test tube studies, CSA-54, one of a family of compounds called Ceragenins (or CSAs), mimics the disease-fighting characteristics of anti-microbial and anti-viral agents produced naturally by a healthy human immune system.

    While the tests are repeatable, there's a long distance between the test tube and human trials.

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  5. Journalist discovers cure for HIV! by ChePibe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Forgive me for saying this, but how much of this is trumped up by the scientist vs. the journalist? The researchers stated "we would like to formally show this before making any claims that would cause unwanted hype", yet the journalist went on and hyped it up.

    The headline could've easily read:

    "Professor makes steps in war against HIV/AIDS"

    "New lead in fight against HIV/AIDS"

    Or something along those lines.

    I'm actually a BYU student and I'd love to see a terrible disease like HIV/AIDS destroyed as much as the next man - I've met many people suffering from this disease in Latin America and it's horrible to see. I just think the journalist decided to soup up the story by taking what are very preliminary results and making a huge deal of them.

    Then again, I do have my fingers crossed...

  6. Re:HIV is a virus by Capitalist1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless HIV works differently from other viruses, it does eventually kill the infected cell it used to replicate itself.

    Why? Because virus replication dumps all the copies *inside* the cell walls. Eventually, the cell gets as full as it can be and pops - releasing all the newly-formed copies. The cell at that point is damaged beyond recovery and dies.

    There is nothing to reverse once the infected cells have cycled. The real problem is getting *all* copies of the virus, since it can hide dormant in other types of tissue.

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  7. Er, what? by leonbrooks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Last I looked, the AIDS toll in Africa stood at 30 million, which is more people than live in my entire country -- and more than another 25 million have the disease and know that they're going to die because of it. In Africa alone.

    The figures for 'way back in 2000 were 10,000 a day, 4,000 of those from AIDS. Last year, there were over 3 million deaths and nearly 5 million new infections. That would wipe out my entire state in five months, eight through AIDS alone, and AIDS alone would do in the entire country in about eight years.

    True, there are those other diseases around -- curable ones too -- but don't underestimate the damage which AIDS does. There are 12 million AIDS orphans alive as I type, for example.

    Amongst other things, a common urban myth in Africa is that having sex with a virgin will cure AIDS... so you get AIDS-infected men raping girls who are so young that they have to be virgins. Nice.

    It's also largely curable by the same education which would reduce AIDS and practically eliminate tuberculosis and malaria. In fact, the basic directives for achieving this are something like 4500 years old. Nevertheless, a magic bullet for AIDS would be a more than welcome assistant. My only real reservations center around what else it kills besides AIDS.

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