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Children Help Their Mothers for Decades

Itninja writes "NPR reported this morning on some interesting findings regarding mothers and their children. From the article: 'Some scientists have proposed that when a woman has a baby, she gets not just a son or a daughter, but a gift of cells that stays behind and protects her for the rest of her life. That's because a baby's cells linger in its mom's body for decades and -- like stem cells -- may help to repair damage when she gets sick. It's such an enticing idea that even the scientists who came up with the idea worry that it may be too beautiful to be true.'"

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  1. I wonder by netfool · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if this has anything to do with women living on average, seven years longer than men?

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    1. Re:I wonder by Firehed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Nope, I'm pretty sure that's more due to the fact that they don't do stupid things as often. Let's be honest here, men are pretty wreckless. How many women do you know go cliffjumping or start street racing just because of the type of car that pulled up next to her at the stop light?

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    2. Re:I wonder by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Interesting


      Nope, I'm pretty sure that's more due to the fact that they don't do stupid things as often.

      If that were true you'd see a big gender difference at the young ages that men are doing reckless things. That isn't true, and the gender disparity only shows up much later in life. I'm not sure why the difference exists, but I've heard that women get heart disease much less often than men because of the protective effects of estrogen.

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    3. Re:I wonder by BewireNomali · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Women have higher resting serum levels of growth hormone than men until menopause when they fall. That's where the seven extra years plus come from.

      women get extra time because they reproduce. males are overproduced, so we can afford to waste a few doing stupid shit, like you mentioned.

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    4. Re:I wonder by radtea · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nope, I'm pretty sure that's more due to the fact that they don't do stupid things as often.

      Yeah, like doing all the dangerous jobs. Although the stereotypical testosterone-driven behaviour you cite can't be completely discounted, it is not nearly as important as differences in employment choices, which account for a significant part of the difference in male/female lifespan in the developed world. The most dangerous professions--farmer, faller*, miner, etc--are all male-dominated, and men dominate in workplace areas where hazardous chemicals and carcinogens are most common.

      We, as a society, are continually failing our men--encouraging them to behave in ways that shorten their lives and lower their quality of life.

      [* a faller is a logger, the guy who actually cuts down trees. It's a good way to die.]

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    5. Re:I wonder by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope, I'm pretty sure that's more due to the fact that they don't do stupid things as often. Let's be honest here, men are pretty wreckless. How many women do you know go cliffjumping or start street racing just because of the type of car that pulled up next to her at the stop light?

      That is called risk taking. It used to be a valued human male characteristic before being a pussy became the norm.

      Risk taking does things like put men on the moon, explore new territory when others believe the world is flat, riot and form new governments, etc.

      But, I digress. The woman's way is the right way.

    6. Re:I wonder by Empty+Yo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Statistically speaking, if you remove deaths due to work accidents, vehicle accidents and war from the death statistics, then men live with a half a year of women. Those three factors combined pretty much account for the seven year difference.

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  2. Double Edged Sword by ed__ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The left over cells are also thought to play a role in auto-immune diseases that can occur after pregnancy, (iirc).

    1. Re:Double Edged Sword by JesseL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wonder if they may also end up seeding cancers.

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    2. Re:Double Edged Sword by skoaldipper · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, the risk of developing breast cancer decreases if you have children, but it also increases if you have your first child past the age of 30.

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  3. But the flip side is autoimmune disorders! by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Women get many autoimmune disorders more frequently than men. E.g. Lupus. Pregnancy contributes because of leftover fetal cells. (Plenty of documentation for this.)

    (Indeed, the fetus often gets cells from the mother, too. Many women have cells of their own, and from their mothers, and from their children...)

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  4. reminds me of a csi episode by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i just saw

    a guy is fingered for a rape/ murder, so they check his dna against the crime scene dna and find out that he doesn't match 100%, but 50%, implying his brother did the crime

    so csi seeks out all of the guy's brothers, including a crazy homeless schizophrenic one, but none of them match the dna 100% either

    until the lead csi guy figures out what is really going on: the guy is a chimera

    a chimera is a very very rare person where two eggs/ embryos fuse very early in embryonic development, such that only one person results, but one person where different organ systems in the body are from different genetic makeups, in essence, two brothers becoming one man

    for example, the person's brain and bone marrow might be of person a, but the skin and eggs/ testicles might be of person b

    so it is possible, for example, to have a child that is genetically your nephew/ niece, if only your brother's testicles are left of him and you are a chimera

    the point is, the body is very well able to be made of different genetic lineages, without all of the usual immunological tissue rejection issues and such

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  5. You've missed the point.... by Asklepius+M.D. · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The amazing thing here is not that fetal cells (and their corresponding DNA) migrate througout the mother's body. After all, both mother and fetus share a circulatory system. The amazing thing is that these cells "linger for decades". After the baby is born, there should no longer be a source of the offspring's genetic material in the mother. As the prenatally produced cells die, they should not replenish without a fetus in utero. If, as this sensationalist article suggests, cells with fetal DNA exist in the mother for years, then one of two circumstances has taken place. First, these cells do not die for decades. This is unlikely, but theoretically possible. More likely is the second hypothesis, which is that fetal stem cells have migrated into the mother's body, implanted, and begun to reproduce. Depending on the type of stem cell, only certain "derivative" cells should be produced. (This explains why mom doesn't grow new body parts.) This would explain the autoimmune theory since blood cells have a higher statistical likelihood of being circulated in the mom's body. Further research should be done as to the types of fetal cells in the mother, the origins and life-expectancies of these cells, and the point in fetal development in which parent and child begin to share cells. Either way, the interesting thing is the presence of these cells long after the child's birth - not the existance of fetal cells in the mother in the first place.

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  6. True Story, 1999 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Woman is pregnant, baby is late by a day or so. Doctors gleefully rub hands, schedule induced labor.

            Hubby exhaustively canvasses all living relatives of unborn child, some 10+ individuals, to determine if late birth is normal for this genetic mix.

            All relatives concur that late births are the norm, that all children on both sides of family have been born 1 to 4 weeks late for at least four generations, at least 50 individuals. Corroborating documentation is produced by maternal grandmother for several dozen instances through an old family bible that specifically states babies were born late.

            Hubby presents evidence to doctors, triumphantly, expecting congratulations and friendly response.

            Chief doctor stares glassily through Hubby and states flatly: "GESTATION PERIOD IS NOT A HERITABLE TRAIT." Other doctor present nods gravely. Both refuse to examine written report.

            The storal of this mory is: you can have all the data in the world, but if nobody is willing to look at it, it boots naught.

  7. Re:I guess it makes sense by MatterOfMind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd even take this a little deeper and suggest that the main benefit is to the germ line cells - in a sense, the body is really just a complex vehicle for the reproductive cells. Human ova are partially developed - partially through meiosis - even before the female fetus is born. Although there has been some recent contention, it is generally thought that new female reproductive cells do not develop after birth (or are limited in number relative to the quantity that develop while in the womb). So, the fetal environment doesn't just affect the fetus - it affects that fetus' offspring, too. Furthermore, sociological research (like the Human Life History Project) shows that "the longer a woman lived after the end of her reproductive years, the more successfully her children's reproductive lives would be."