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Danish, Western Websites Under Attack
caese writes "The BBC is reporting that almost 900 Danish websites have been defaced by crackers angry about the recent controversy over cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad. From the article: 'What is extraordinary for this Danish case is the speed in which the community united'. Another 1600 or so Western websites have been defaced by the same group. The defacements have ranged from condemnation of the cartoons to outright calls for violence."
The muslim world HAS to learn to play nicely with the rest of the world or face becoming marginalized. There's only so many times people can read about young girls being gang raped to punish their brother or young girls being forced to stay inside a burning building because they don't have their headgear on... not to mention all of the totally innocent contractors, journalists and students that are murdered for doing their job or even going to school. Where are the women's rights groups?!?!? Where are the "peaceful" muslims?
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The cartoons were published in September, protests happened in the last couple of weeks. Speed? Not much. What is more astonishing is the extent to which muslims have been shown to be prone to manipulation (on par or worse than the manipulation seen in the US post-9/11). I suppose that is the inherent power of mass religion, "the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions."
You find out the cartoons have already been circulating widely in the muslims world during height of ramadan in Oct 05. Next, you find out a Danish Immam invader added more cartoons to the bunch. Then you find out the Danes will head the security council in the near future. What makes it even more funny, is your own western papers ( not knowing the cartoons were circulated in the islamic world without riots ) then turn around and censor the cartoons to the american public -- out of multicultural sensitivity.
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The Ranting Sandmonkey, an Egyptian blog, illustrates just how bogus the MSM refusal to discuss the Danish cartoons "out of respect for Islam" is:
Freedom For Egyptians reminded me why the cartoons looked so familiar to me: they were actually printed in the Egyptian Newspaper Al Fagr back in October 2005. I repeat, October 2005, during Ramadan, for all the egyptian muslim population to see, and not a single squeak of outrage was present. Al Fagr isn't a small newspaper either: it has respectable circulation in Egypt, since it's helmed by known Journalist Adel Hamoudah. Looking around in my house I found the copy of the newspaper, so I decided to scan it and present to all of you to see.
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'The past as prologue'
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..that to the way Hindus reacted when pictures of Hindu Gods were depicted on toilet seats (in UK), on footwear and on bikini wear! They had silent (non-violent) protests. Cowards? no, matured!
You know, the usual.
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
I wonder if the media has an agenda here?
... The best way of manipulating the public is to supress your reasonable opponents and exaggerate the unreasonable opponents. It's a subtle variation on a straw-man argument. If the only people the public sees oppose you are lunatics, it makes it much easier for them to believe yours is the only reasonable course of action. ..
See this comment made earlier today:
That particularly rung true to me because I like to digest information in quick hits. I like to check out the summaries of news items and if something is interesting, hear some commentary on it and dig a little deeper.
If all the headlines are "Muslims have taken hostages in..." or "A radical Islamic group exploded...", then people become conditioned to believe that Muslims and Islam are violent when they really aren't.
In a thread a while back, someone made a fantastic observation about Africa. The general premise was that most people still think that the entire continent of Africa is nothing more than corrupt leaders and starving children and this viewpoint was partly blamed on the media and mostly blamed on the influx and inundation of "Save the children" commericals in the 1990s.
If a bunch of Christians in the US started burning down buildings (rather than just picketing films they find offensive, like they did for The Last Temptation Of Christ) they'd be treated like Eric Randolph has been: hunted down, arrested, lose their jobs, their houses... but when you're living in tarpaper shacks you don't have the money to purchase, in a society where other people can't afford to sue you for violating the civil rights they don't have anyway, what's to lose by burning down some buildings?
To put it another way, the single best way of pacifying a community is giving people something to lose. Nothing turns someone who doesn't think deeply into a peaceful person as quickly as possessions.
Nostalgia's not what it used to be.
Minus the sarcasm, I agree with what you say: yes, it is time to rebel against big relegion. It has always been time to rebel against big religion. The best way to do this is by acknowledging that for any (big) religion it's much more important for this religion to promote itself than it is to promote religious values such as being friendly to your neigbour. What makes successful big religions so big and successful is that they value spreading the religion above all other values.
On the subject of why authoritarianism is always a bad idea, I highly recommend the book The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power by Joel Kramer and Diane Alstad.
Morality is usually taught by the immoral.
You could be right. All I know is that when I heard about the reaction to the cartoons, I thought, hmm. Sheep. Then I thought maybe I should put together a few cartoons featuring Jesus, you know, snorting coke off a hooker's tits or eating out President Bush's asshole. Then I realized that you have a lot of people who are way ignorant out there who wouldn't get it. Then I realized that there are probably about a billion muslims in the world who are just as, if not more ignorant than some of the retarded people I see in this country who are obsessed with Jesus more than logic. Then I realized that the leaders of these Muslim people have spun this cartoon story out to be some type of hate crime against Islam rather than the edgy melarky it was. Then I realized that it's the same sort of spin that our own leaders used to get us into the war we're in now. Then I realized that leaders use things like hate and religion and other mass motivating communications to get what they want done. Then I realized that we the poor commoners of our respective countries have more in common with each other than we do with our leaders.
That's right, we flag and ribbon wearing, Jesus loving, George Bush electing Americans have more in common with those Flag Burning, Mohammed loving, Hamas electing Muslims than we have with George Bush and the upper echelons of our government. That's what I always try to remember before I start hating. We need to love one another and try to work stuff out. How can we do that, though, if everyone remains ignorant and only listens to their leaders for direction, rather than trying to find the Truth for themselves? How can we find the Truth for ourselves when our leaders try to keep us ignorant?
It's interesting. That's why I'm staying to the sidelines. I turn my back on this whole war/hate thing. I won't even grace it with any more discussion than I already have. Why should I worry about the world when I have bills to pay, family to support, car payment, retirement in about 35 years, etc?
Conversely, I do think that people need to realize that their habits of buying expensive gas guzzling cars, bottled water, convenience items, etc. are directly leading us to a world war situation. There is no solution to the energy crisis that will affect us. The cost in energy for every human in the world to live like an American, or European or Japanese even (known for their efficiency) is higher than the available energy.
So, there are left two choices, and these are what those private meetings are about: #1 everyone gets less, #2 less people.
After the coming war, in which millions will die, millions of lives they believe are expendable, a new one world government will be in place. Ha ha, you say! Well, it's going to happen. Europe is one country now. What do you think WWII was about? WHO CONTROLS THE BANKS. England won. We won.
This war is going to decide who runs the real world show, and will also cleanse the world of excess human lives, change the structure of the middle east and place it under the control of a "neutral" government, a republic of countries. Their success will lead to the establishment of an even larger world government with one stable currency--energy. In addition, one world language and religion will be necessary. Those who don't wish to follow will be walled off, executed in the war, or given manufactured disease so it will look like an accident.
Or maybe not. Who knows what will happen. I know this much, I really don't care.
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