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Team Confirms UCLA Tabletop Fusion

An anonymous reader writes "A team of New York physicists has confirmed that a tabletop contraption made at UCLA does in fact generate nuclear fusion at room temperatures, using pairs of crystals and a small tank of deuterium. But unlike less reliable reports back in the 1980s, there's no talk this time of producing endless supplies of power. Rather, the technology could lead to ultra-portable x-ray machines and even a wearable device that could provide safe, continuous cancer treatment."

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  1. Key Application Overlooked by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    From TFA:
    Rather, the most immediate application may come in the form of a battery-operated, portable neutron generator. Such a device could be used to detect explosives or to scan luggage at airports, and it could also be an important tool for a wide range of laboratory experiments.
    I'm surprised that the article didn't go into more depth on the explosives detection angle, as a neutron generator is an excellent method for detecting fissionable material, and I'm sure the folks over at Homeland Security would like a better way to guard against nuclear devices being smuggled into our country.

    For more info on neutron generators and their possible application in fissionable materials detection, please look here (PDF warning).
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    1. Re:Key Application Overlooked by NitsujTPU · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Everyone's overloaded on hearing about people blowing up airplanes. Hunting down terrorists is the depressing fact harped at us constantly in all directions. A two sentence mention in the article is about all that is really warranted, don't you think? Perhaps they should have said "nukes," or "fissionable material." Fissionable material doesn't really hit home for most people though. Nukes sounds outlandish. Explosives is a bit too broad.

      Not being a scientific paper, the details of the procedure aren't germaine to the article.

      Eh, it's close enough, right?

    2. Re:Key Application Overlooked by Temkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You missed the other key application... A cheap ready supply of neutrons is exactly what you need to transmute elements... Sadly, this includes the most common element transmutation carried out by mankind to date... U-238 to Pu-239. Cheap tabletop neutrons means cheap Pu-239 without the cost & mess of having a breeder fission reactor...

      This will make non-proliferation all the harder. :(

    3. Re:Key Application Overlooked by onkelonkel · · Score: 5, Funny

      I always thought the easiest way to smuggle in a nuke would be to bring it in through Miami hidden in a bale of cocaine.

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    4. Re:Key Application Overlooked by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You missed the other key application... A cheap ready supply of neutrons is exactly what you need to transmute elements... Sadly, this includes the most common element transmutation carried out by mankind to date... U-238 to Pu-239. Cheap tabletop neutrons means cheap Pu-239 without the cost & mess of having a breeder fission reactor...

      This will make non-proliferation all the harder. :(

      Not really. You still have to mine and purify the uranium (a decidely non trivial task), then you have to bombard (literally) tons of U-238, then you have to extract the Pu from the U (extremely non trivial). Or, in short, while you avoid the messy step of a reactor - you still have a large and difficult (and messy) industrial process. (I.E. nation state level, not terrorist groups.)
    5. Re:Key Application Overlooked by lgw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Modern nuclear weapons are around 1 MT, usually a bit less, as that's the optimal size for a weapon you can target accurately. The larger nukes of old were designed to crack silos with a near miss, were extremely expensive for their mission, and were taken out of service long ago. If a terrorist gets a nuclear weapon, it's either going to be a sub-MT military weapon, or a quite a bit smaller "home made" fission only device (modern nukes are pretty sophisticated fusion-pumped-fission devices).

      Let's do the math. A 1 MT nuke detonated at optimal blast height will knock down residential structures at a radius of 10 km, more solid buildings at 7 km, and at 5 km knock down reinfored buildings and kill people outright from the blast (and all other effects, such as high doses of radiation, have smaller radii). A surface blast would have a far smaller effect. The only real point of a surface blast is to generate radioactive fallout (an air blast generates surprisingly little, though it would still hinder clean-up and rebuilding).

      So yes, in theory, a terrorist with a high-quality military nuke (let's imagine a few were sold out of the old USSR armory, and somehow still worked today (the tritium would have to be replaced, which is quite technical, but lets imagine a scientist came with the bomb)) could sit a couple of kilometers off the coast and destroy some structures along the coast. Good for psycological impact, but not much else, and insanely expensive to carry out. A 50 kt fission bomb, a far more likely scenario for a terrorist, would have less than 40% of the blast radius of the high quality military bomb, and would probably need to be within 1 km to be effective.

      A surface blast over *land* is what a terrorist wants, because the radioactive fallout would cause a world of hurt. You'd get very little of that even 1 km off the coast, and even a ship at a dock would produce far less fallout than a bomb 1 km inland. It's *definitely* worth checking for nukes at ports of entry: the threat just goes down very fast as the bomb moves away from land.

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    6. Re:Key Application Overlooked by aminorex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, it does not require tons of U-238 to produce supercritical masses of Pu-239. Less than a ton will do very nicely. What it does require is a fair amount of Tritium. D-D fusion neutrons are too slow. D-T fusion neutrons are perfect for the production of Pu-239. Separating the Pu from the U is trivial. It is a purely chemical process. I did this with an IEC fusor using surplus DU from a 747 counterweight. Using the fusor it would have taken gigawatts of electric power to produce a critical mass in less than a decade, and the process was impractical for weapon production. I don't know enough about the new process to comment, but if it improved the electrical efficiency by a couple of orders of magnitude, it would result in a viable process.

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  2. Tabletop fusion by Bit_Squeezer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Crystals and holy water?

  3. Better than two by DigitlDud · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Our device uses two crystals instead of one, which doubles the acceleration potential," says Jeffrey Geuther

    Yeah well, now I'm going to use three!

    1. Re:Better than two by that_xmas · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hell, I'm jumping straight FIVE! That'll get you an even closer shave.

    2. Re:Better than two by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

      According to the Spinal Tap Principle, it's only a matter of time before someone makes one that goes to 11.

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    3. Re:Better than two by Divide+By+Zero · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny you should mention a razor with five blades in a thread about Fusion.

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  4. What? by Odin_Tiger · · Score: 5, Funny

    "application may come in the form of a battery-operated, portable neutron generator"

    Wait, what? We finally got cold fusion, but 'batteries not included'?

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  5. Key chain application overlooked by SEWilco · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also overlooked is the forthcoming businesses selling crystal pendants and key chains which "fight" cancer and provide other beneficial effects.

  6. Licensing... by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 4, Funny

    I will now take bids on licensing my screenname.

  7. Incredible (and im not talking about the article) by MrTester · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its amazingly clear that not only have few of you RTFA, most have not even gotten past the title before you threw out a post.

    Its a whole 4 sentences which make it clear that this is NOT a power source, and half the posts are talking about its potential as a power source.

    Now if I could just find a way to bottle the power of human stupidity...

  8. Re:Interesting by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Informative


    So I'm assuming that there is no way even in principle this technology could be scaled to yield more power than it uses.


    From the sound of what's going on, I think that's correct. The thing about a confined fusion generator is that it works through having the plasma at enormous temperatures. At these high temperatures the particles are slamming into each other at high speed, occasionally so hard they fuse together. This fusion itself produces more heat, so there's a feedback loop that's sustaining the reaction. This device sounds like it works through just accelerating particles with an electric field to high speeds, and then smashes the particles into one another. I don't see any potential for feedback here, so a sustained reaction seems unlikely.

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  9. 200,000 Electron Volts by sarlos · · Score: 5, Funny

    But can it crank out 1.21 gigawatts?

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  10. Get the paper here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  11. Re:Oh great... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    IANAP (I am not a physicist), but I do know that nuclear fusion doesn't create fallout like nuclear fission does.

    Fallout is caused by one of two events:

    1. Excess nuclear materials not consumed in the reaction are left behind.

    2. The neutron radiation from the event interacted with nearby materials (such as the dirt on the ground) to create new radioactive materials.

    Nuclear fusion is "clean" in that there are no radioactive materials left over from the reaction. However, it does produce an incredibly strong neutron flux which can easily create radioactive fallout in nearby materials.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fallout

    Given how destructive neutron radiation is, I'm somewhat surprised that they'd be talking about strapping a reasonably strong source to someone's person.

  12. Re:This sounds oddly familiar by rossifer · · Score: 5, Informative

    The difficulty with small scale fusion isn't making it happen. That's been done many, many times. The difficulty with small scale fusion (and all fusion) is making it produce power (more power extracted from the reaction than put into the reaction).

    That's where Pons and Fleishman got hosed. They claimed a 300% power surplus without experimental verification. This announcement is different from that for several reasons.

    1) These guys are specifically not claiming excess power.
    2) They're claiming to have lots of high-energy neutrons.
    3) This is actually the announcement of a second group of scientists repeating the experiment and successfully verifying the results of the first group.

    In short, this announcement is nothing like the cold fusion debacle of the late '80s.

    Regards,
    Ross

  13. Re:Oh great... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Informative
    Thanks for continuing to propagate irrational fear of nuclear materials. Fallout is associated with the older, "dirtier" fission nukes. We haven't seen one like that in, what... 45 or 50 years? This is also different - not only because the amount of emissions are small - but because it's neutrons.

    And what are neutrons? Oh yeah, just one of the most penetrating and dangerous forms of radiation. Why else do you think that when they had to find a form of radiation that could kill tank crews inside their vehicles, the viable choice was the neutron bomb?

    Pure fusion bombs create huge numbers of neutrons. If the explosion is near the ground, these neutrons can activate the debris that gets sucked into the mushroom cloud and create plenty of fallout. (Not to mention, most bombs use a natural uranium case to get a cheap energy boost when it's fissioned by the extra fusion neutrons. Most of total the energy output is often still fission.)

    And any amount of emissions that's intense enough to kill cancer tumors isn't exactly "small".

    Also: Nowhere in the article does it mention anything about breaking apart massive atoms and leaving behind radioactive isotopes that are chemically reactive in the human body; Which, I assume, is what you're so worried about.

    Instead, you add neutrons to the the elements already inside your body, thereby turning them into dangerous radioactive isotopes where they sit.

  14. Re:Incredible (and im not talking about the articl by acacia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bottle the power of human stupidity? Sorry, you are too late. Look no further than the Vatican, Al Qaeda, or any other religions institution. Superstition, fear of death, and the promise of eternal life are all their tools, and with proper respect of their un-verifiable claims (faith), lack of reason, and willingness to submit you too can be their servant.

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  15. Re:A whole 2% are opened by HUADPE · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the point was that you don't even need to get to the inspections point...just blow it up while it's still on the ship. Accuracate placement is not a high priority with fission bombs.

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  16. Re:Oh great... by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was a plasma physicist, and did some research on topics related to fusion before quiting to become a programmer.

    Basically, you're right. The nice things about fusion (or some of them at least) are that there's no scope for a Chernobyl-style meltdown and the reaction products and reactants are safe.

    The problem, as you say, is that it's an excellent source of neutrons. The generator and its housing have to be designed to absorb as much of that neutron flux as possible. This inevitably produces radioactive isotopes in these materials, which will eventually break down to the point that they must be replaced.

    The nuclear waste associated with a fusion power plant isn't as bad as that for a fission one, but it still exists and still needs to be dealt with.