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Sony Rootkit may Lead to Regulation

An anonymous reader writes "Computerworld has a story about DHS officials meeting with Sony to read them the riot act, following the rootkit fiasco. From the story: 'A U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official warned today that if software distributors continue to sell products with dangerous rootkit software, as Sony BMG Music Entertainment recently did, legislation or regulation could follow.'"

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  1. WTF? by smash · · Score: 5, Interesting
    So if a 15 year old crashes his school's webserver by getting a bunch of friends in IRC to click on it too many times he can be prosecuted, but if a global megacorporation does something far more insidious (effectively, SELLING you TROJANED media), then "we need regulation"?

    Why are people not in jail for this yet?

    (yes, that was a rhetorical question).

    smash.

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    1. Re:WTF? by lennart78 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      According to www.opensecrets.org Sony has, over the years, ponied up millions of dollars in contributions to political parties. I haven't seen that 15 year old script-running-juvenile matching that.

    2. Re:WTF? by smash · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't need opensecrets.org to tell me that. :)

      I was merely trying to point out how "fucked up" the system is - we live in a world that allowed the two events described above to have the outcomes they did...

      smash.

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    3. Re:WTF? by luvirini · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But the 15 year old is a terrorist for attacking national infrastructure. The company is just trying to protect it's godgiven right for profits.

    4. Re:WTF? by jozi · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Corporation: An organization created in order to generate individual profit without individual responsibility.

      That is why no on is in jail, it goes against the very idea of corporations. :o)

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    5. Re:WTF? by crawling_chaos · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Because its shareholders are largely voters. The Supreme Court has ruled money to be speech, and the Right of the People to assemble to petition the government for redress of grievances is in the Constitution. Like it or not, a corporation is an assembly of some of the People, just like a union, or political party.

      I agree it stinks, but I'm not exactly sure how we stop it short of a constitutional amendment, and if that amendment is too broadly worded, the cure could be worse than the disease.

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  2. The recent Sony experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The recent Sony experience..." This phrase makes me wonder if Sony is going to be a catch phrase.

    "I just bought a DVD with rootkit software on it."
    "You've been Sony-ed", or,
    "That's the Sony experience!"

    1. Re:The recent Sony experience by anagama · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I recently (about 2 weeks ago) had to buy two new monitors for my office. My business partner mentioned she saw a sale on some Sony LCD -- I said "no way" and we got something else. Had Sony not gone out of its way to be evil, I would've said "sure". Perhaps "Sonied" will be a term for companies that shoot themselves in the head with their marketing practices. I'd rather see that than a lot of customers being screwed.

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    2. Re:The recent Sony experience by luvirini · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Vaio was one of the more popular laptop models for our salesforce. It has now been dropped from list of approved products.

    3. Re:The recent Sony experience by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Funny

      And just the other day, I was watching downloaded David Attenborough documentaries, and the name "Sony" popped up on one of the special cameras used there - I exclaimed "No way!" and used mencoder to edit the relevant part out right away. That'll teach 'em!

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  3. So.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sony's root kit disabled the Department of Homeland Security's root kit. I can see why they might be miffed.

    1. Re:So.. by jibjibjib · · Score: 5, Funny
      What if I want to make my own rootkit? Will I have to register it with the DHS, and get them to audit it for security holes and check it for compatibility with their own rootkit?

      And what about Linux rootkits? Will Linux rootkits be supported by the DHS? Or will they just be banned altogether? Surely the DHS can't be stuffed writing a Linux rootkit as well as a Windows rootkit.

      Even scarier... what if Linux rootkits weren't regulated at all? Cyberterrorists could go on a rampage of linux rooting, and the government wouldn't be able to stop them, or more importantly, tax them.

      Hmm... that's an idea, the DHS could implement a rootkit tax, to fund their own rootkit development, and better protect our fellow God-fearing American citizens from the cyberterrorists of the future.

      The War on Terror is ending. The War on Rootkits is only just beginning...

  4. Threatening Legislation by James+McGuigan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So they have not been punished for their crime,

    They are not even being told they will get punished if they do it again,

    It seems to say, if you do it again, only then will make it illegal so you can't do it a third time.

    (Gee, I'll have to try that one next time I get busted by the cops - its only my first offence, officer, you shouldn't lock me up until I've done it at least 3 times)

    1. Re:Threatening Legislation by smash · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Or, as another poster pointed out, perhaps the "legislation" will LEGALISE their behavior so that the "problem" doesn't occur again, as they're acting within the law.

      smash.

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  5. Regulation? by RedHatLinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ohh, you mean legalization and decriminalization of these behaviors, so that this does not become an issue again. Anything less than a total ban, backed up by some serious time in a federal pound you in the ass facility, means that someone has been bought out.

  6. Mr. & Mrs. Smith DVD by rminsk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lets hope the industry learns soon. There are recent products shipping with rootkits on them like the german release of Mr. and Mrs. Smith. http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/archive-02 2006.html#00000810

  7. not malicious? by a.d.trick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:

    While Sony's software was distributed without malicious intent

    I guess that depends on what you mean by malicious. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who distributes trojans is either malicious, or mentally insane — on the same level as the man who thinks he's a poached egg.

  8. No malicious intent? by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While Sony's software was distributed without malicious intent, the DHS is worried that a similar situation could occur again, this time with more serious consequences. "It's a potential vulnerability that's of strong concern to the department," Frenkel said.

    Would someone please define malicious? I think it WAS malicious.

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    The American Heritage dictionary:
    malicious (m-lsh's) pronunciation
    adj.


    Having the nature of or resulting from malice; deliberately harmful; spiteful.

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    Thompson-Gale Legal Encyclopedia:
    Malicious

    Involving malice; characterized by wicked or mischievous motives or intentions.

    An act done maliciously is one that is wrongful and performed willfully or intentionally, and without legal justification.

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    I'd say that given Sony's generally agressive posture with regards to personal/individual fair use and copyright infringement, I think they could easily be characterized using words like "angry" and "vengeful." And regardless of the emotional component, it was certainly wrongful, willfull, intentional and without legal justification.

  9. Mod Parent Up. by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To have the government threaten to enact legislation is like having a parent wave their finger at a naughty child warning him not to break ANY MORE of the neighbor's windows.

    Laws have already been broken and all we're seeing is warnings implying this may be made illegal in the future.

  10. Could someone explain? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A 17 year old writing a stupid trojan that does little but spread receives a 2 year sentence in jail and is only safe from compensation since companies didn't want to have the public know their systems are insecure.

    Read: Juvenile dick-waving without commercial interest -> 2 years prison.

    A large corporation spreading a rootkit with their product to their paying customer with the intent to cripple their customer's software performance (not being able to use it as intended, by manufacturer or user) that also has the capability of spying on their behaviour (allegedly they didn't use that function, but ... yeahsure) receives... a recommendation not to do anything like this again or else we might have to think about creating laws banning this behaviour (hey, those laws exist, enact them!).

    Read: Commercial malvolent infiltration of customer's computers -> Nada.

    The world sure is changing. When I was still in school, adding "commercial" to a crime sure upped your sentence by some magnitude. Nowadays it seems to be your "get out of jail" card if you commit a crime with financial interest.

    Al Capone simply died too early. He'd love these times.

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  11. Could someone sue StarForce spreaders please? by LarsWestergren · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was about the download the demo for Battle for Middle Earth 2 the other day, only to read that the goddamn DEMO comes with the StarForce malware.

    According to Wikipedia, Ubi Soft, Digital Jesters and Codemasters routinely use StarForce on new games. Forget about consoles, THIS is what might kill PC gaming permanently.

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  12. What is a rootkit? by tom6a · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you are looking for a good reference to understand a rootkit I recommend Matt Vea's article "Rootkits: The 'r00t' of Digital Evil." He wrote it back in Novemeber when the Sony fiasco was first revealed. Link: http://www.omninerd.com/2005/11/22/articles/43

  13. Important distinction by AlphaSys · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Another exaple of our tax-dollar-paid servants not applying themsleves to the task mentally:

    "A U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official warned today that if software distributors continue to sell products with dangerous rootkit software, as Sony BMG Music Entertainment recently did, legislation or regulation could follow."


    The important thing to keep in mind is that, while SONY may have a software division, the product sold wasn't even a software product at all, and no disclosure of a software product was discussed in any terms of sale, etc. The whole software angle was completely surrepetitious. It's not just "software distributors" that need policing here. When it boils down to it, this SONY division had no business "engineering" software into their product; they had little grasp of the ethics or the technical implications of what they were doing... or at least that's what they tell us now. For all we know, they were fully aware and just did it anyway thinking plausible deniability was all they would need when it came to light. If indeed they thought so, they would seem to have been prescient - nothing has happeded because of it. I for one am a bit surprised at that.
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  14. Sony should be prosecuted by layer3switch · · Score: 4, Funny

    for distributing Celine Dion CDs. I don't mind rootkit (haven't bought "CD" in 10 years), but for Pete's sake, someone feed that woman.

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  15. forget rootkits... by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Funny
    what I want is a w00tkit!

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  16. Re:You haven't figured it out yet? by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No. The principle of capitalism ist: Privatize profits, communalize costs. Sony BMG was just trying to profit privately from non copyable media while externalizing the costs to thousands of PC owners.

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  17. Megacorp meets with secret police by The+Mgt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure good things will come of this. :/

  18. Re:You haven't figured it out yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, that just makes it good business, according to the reprehensible predatory practices that are currently deemed as acceptable business behavior. Corporate execs and shareholders alike love nothing better than to externalize expenses, and they really don't give a damn who has to bear that burden, as long as it's not them.

  19. Sony BMG settles by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Informative

    On a side note, Sony BMG settled the class action lawsuit filed against them by the EFF. If you want replacement CDs released by Sony BMG that don't have XCP or MediaMax on them, head to http://www.eff.org/sony for more info.

    It's your chance to stick it to the man.

  20. Re:You haven't figured it out yet? by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You might also want to keep in mind that "true capitalism", as well as "true communism" are mind constructs that are completely impossible to setup in the real world because there is no way that most people are actually going to play nice. If they can screw you to increase their benefit, they will. Which is why an external regulatory agent is needed (even though that idea is apparently blasphemous to the US mindset).

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