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A Report on Swearing in Online Games

A Next Generation article references an informal study done on the frequency of swearing on Xbox Live. From the study: "When you logon to Xbox live more often then not you will be greeted by a 14 year old that learned a new word on the playground that day, or maybe it's the drunken 24 year old who hates black people, gays and anyone who isn't in his frat. No matter who you are if you have played on live you have run into cursing and lewdness. If you look at the rating for the game you can see that it is intended for ages 17+ but parents don't care/understand/listen so lots of underage kids have [Halo 2]." Warning: links contain profanity.

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  1. Gamesmanship by MBraynard · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In some Xbox games, if you are trying to win, you can use the other person's emotional state to overcome their reason/rational thought. Normally when someone is cursing up a storm, they are letting their emotions overcome their rational thought and they make mistakes. This is both in fast games (Halo2) and slow games (World Championship Poker).

    If you can just goad them a little bit into cutting loose with their mouths, you are are halfway to victory.

    Conversely, it is important to keep your own cool and your focus on the game. A few taunts when the other guy is down may help in keeping him down as you compound his anger, but this must be done out of strategy, not out of an effort to verbally 'get back' at your opponent.

    1. Re:Gamesmanship by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In some Xbox games, if you are trying to win, you can use the other person's emotional state to overcome their reason/rational thought. Normally when someone is cursing up a storm, they are letting their emotions overcome their rational thought and they make mistakes. This is both in fast games (Halo2) and slow games (World Championship Poker).

      I used to play Half Life 2 with a guy who was obviously a troll. His nick was "sand nigger" and he kept uttering profanities all over the chat, both profanity and ethnic slurs.

      People used to get all worked up about him and play badly, or type often and get killed - which is exactly what he wanted.

      I decided to try anti-trolling him, and instead of responding to the "nigger" in his tag, I began objecting to his use of the word "sand". This confused him, and when I said things (that I don't actually agree with) like: "Well, I find the word 'sand' and all the implications that it carries, I am offended by that. You can keep using 'nigger' thats ok, I am not offended by that, 'nigger' is an ok word to use."

      He suddenly lost his temper - and began accusing *ME* of being a racist, because I was clearly not offended by the term "nigger". I kept harping on him about his offensive use of the word "sand" and ignored all his ethnic slurs. His voice became very animated over the chat until he was positivly screaming. He finally left the server in disgust.

      So, clearly, he was using his nick and his ethnic slurs as a way to get to people and have an advantage, when I came along and pretended not to be offended by these things, he thought I really was a racist, and went off on me.

      That is really the best way to handle people that are trying to emotionally troll you - either ignore them, or troll them back, most will quite ironically bite.

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  2. Profanity filters? by amrust · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Don't Xbox Live games have optional profanity filters?

    Even PlayOnline/FFXI had that, on PS2.

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  3. /. hits the nail on the head by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    but parents don't care/understand/listen

    And that's the problem. I don't care if every other f*cking word is a curse. Parents can't complain when they don't know what their kids are doing. I know parents that monitor what their kids play, watch on TV, and listen to on the radio. It's not impossible. Parents who claim they can't prevent their kids from seeing these curse words are simply irresponsible.

    These studies aren't needed because it doesn't matter. If the fear is kids seeing/hearing it then parents are letting these kids get exposed to it, either knowingly or ignorantly.

  4. Swearing?!? Won't someone think of the children! by BigZaphod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I recently slapped together a pointless waste of time and noted with an unfortunate lack of surprise just how many of the postings were profane or sexual or otherwise trollish. I think the average age of web posters must be about 14 or so and the average mind must be in the gutter. This does not speak well for our future... of course sometimes it can sure as hell be damn entertaining! Ah, nevermind. Screw the future!

  5. My CS Glory Days by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to have a spray of the goatse man with the caption "I fucked you." Whenever I'd get a really good, or lucky kill I'd spray it.

    I had a couple of server admins complain that they had kids playing there. My response was "It's OK for children to pretend to blow people's brains out, guard hostages, and plant C4 charges but it's wrong for them to see buttocks?"

    LK

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  6. Once again... by Noraean · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This proves there should be an 18+ rule for the internet, to root out most of the problems. And besides, people judge you on the internet based solely on how you speak. If you want to be percieved as a total moron, it's not hard to do. In fact, most people don't even realize it. But nothing pisses me off more than servers that ban profanity of any kind. It's total garbage, swearing is acceptable to a point, but to restrict it entirely is disgraceful.

  7. Profanity filter code. by LightningBolt! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I worked on a networked EA title a couple years back, we were required to put in a chat profanity filter. We were given some code and a file with the obscenity list that had been developed for a previous title. The obscenity file was pretty funny, containing some words we'd never heard before, and some ordinary words that we couldn't imagine used as obscenities. Combined with the code that tried to detect variations, it was weird, because it would allow some really standard obscenities you'd expect to filter out, and blocked stuff like "assume" and "sucker". Also amusing, the file ended up in plaintext on the disc. So if you dumped the disc contents, it looked like some disgruntled programmer had put all sorts of swears into the game.

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  8. One reason I let my XBox Live account die. by RatBastard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is one of several resons I let my XBox Live! account expire. I don't mind swearing, I do it alot. It's the constant screaming; racial, sexist and homophobic slurs; the constant accusations of cheating if you're kicking their pasty little asses; the incessant trash-talking and the general meanness and abusive conduct.

    I don't play games in order to listen to a bunch of obnoxious children who think the Internet gives them the right to behave like complete asshats with imounity. I play to have fun.

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    1. Re:One reason I let my XBox Live account die. by orac2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree -- the swearing's fine, it's all the racism, misogyny and homophobia that's really starting to get old. I've attended press conferences with video game execs[1] and when I ask them about the dichotomoy between wanting to be treated like a legitimate, mainstream activity on the one hand and the hostile and exclusionary nature of an average morning on X-Box they, at best, shrug their shoulders with a "what can you do?" attitude or, at worst, fail to even understand the basis of the question. How about enforcing your damn ToS??? For younger players Xbox live requires a credit card to use, so there's supposed to be some adult around -- why capture a few seconds of the audio stream and send them a damn letter with a link explaining why their son has been banned? A few hundred "Notes home to the Parents" would have a definite chilling effect -- at the very least, it would finally say, "You know what guys, this isn't okay" instead of the wink, wink bullshit from the game companies that happens now, to point where some kids don't even understand why anyone would object when they spout some of this garbage.

      And just in case any of those kids are reading, let me spell it out: it's not okay to use "gay" as a synonym for "crap", "fag" as a synonym for "asshole", "rape" as a synonym for "achieve victory over" or "nigger" as a synonym for, well, anything.

      [1] These are often the same execs who mouth platitudes about wanting the industry to be less male oriented, and more welcoming to women, while surrounded by giant advertising placards featuring anatomically impossible women with heavy weaponry.

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    2. Re:One reason I let my XBox Live account die. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I agree. And a note to Blizzard, this is the main reason a "Gay Guild" exists in World of Warcraft. It's not because those homosexuals are trying to seduce or convert our youth, it's because playing with a bunch of hormone-addled teenage boys who use "gay", "fag" and "cocksucker" every other word gets real old, real fast.

      I wonder why more games don't give you the option simply to turn off chat entirely. I play online FPS games because I want a challenge (human players will always be much more unpredicatble than bots), not because I want to make friends or see page after page of taunts and insults. (Luckily some Quake 3 derivatives let you see "team chat only" at least, which tends to be much easier to take.)

  9. Re:Big Fucking Deal by Bloomy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You forgot mee krob.

  10. Re:What about... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, it was good enough for Chaucer.
    As clerkes be full subtle and full quaint.
    And privily he caught her by the queint (cunt)
    Now I'm at a loss as to why such an important part of the anatomy (or any part really), should be regarded as an insult, but profanity? The origin of fuck, cunt, and a couple of others as vulgar language goes back to when the Normans invaded Britain. Fuck and cunt are traditional english words, whereas the educated and powerful were all speaking old french at the time. To use these english words was to show how common you were. Basically, it's a class thing. So if you like, you can proudly show your rebellious streak to the Normans with every fuck and cunt you say.

    Being British (not to steretype here), I probably swear more casually than most americans... not necessarily more, but with less emphasis because I don't regard it as a big deal. I don't usually say cunt, simply because it seems such a odd thing to be an insult. I thought guys liked cunts?

    Personally, I think the word has been used as an insult so much by now, that it's going to be hard to reclaim it. Vagina sounds far too clinical so I'd like to propose a new word for it. From now on, I'd like everyone to call it a "wooha" (emphasis on second syllable, like Bruce Lee is hitting someone). I think that it would be impossible to use this as an insult, and yet it still conveys a sense of fun.

    What do you think? :)
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  11. Re:Expected by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "This is why it is very important to make sure that children don't swear. Swearing is addictive because it is easy to do and doesn't require thinking and as long as someone uses swear words he/she won't learn to take advantage of the full range of the language."

    I think that's a crock. Swearing doesn't prevent vocabulary development, nor does it stunt verbal communication skills. What I think you're missing is the primary reason some people choose to swear so much -- because it causes a reaction different from non-swear words. If anything, people who swear all the time have better non-verbal and verbal intonation communications skills -- inflection is much more important when you use the same words a lot.

    Considering that so many people on the planet speak a different language than a given person, that person would be well served to have better non-verbal and intonation skills.

    Finally, swearing isn't addictive because it's easy to do -- it's addictive because people get positive reinforcement of the behavior. People swear to get a reaction, and it works. The best way to make swearing ineffective, and therefore to lessen the positive reinforcement, is for everyone to swear more.

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