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Segway Inventor Turns To Environment

MBCook writes "CNN has an article in which they talk about Dean Kamen's latest inventions designed to provide water to rural villages. His goal is also to provide electricity and opportunities for entrepreneurship. From the article: 'Eighty percent of all the diseases you could name would be wiped out if you just gave people clean water,' says Kamen. 'The water purifier makes 1,000 liters of clean water a day, and we don't care what goes into it. And the power generator makes a kilowatt off of anything that burns.'"

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  1. Re:Err.. by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's part of the price to pay for development.

    Every industrialized nation at some point or another went through a period of dirty industry.

    Also think of it this way.... London today has the highest air quality it's ever had. Think about it.... first you had cooking/heating fires, then you had dirty industry, and now you've got a clean economy. I don't doubt that the rest of the world will eventually go through the same process.

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  2. Swell. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The water purifier makes 1,000 liters of clean water a day, and we don't care what goes into it. And the power generator makes a kilowatt off of anything that burns.

    So now, instead of a village in the Phillipines using relatively clean water that's been percalating through a forested area, they will just burn even more of the trees to power their water cleaners, resulting in even more of this (which surviving local villagers said was due to illegal logging on the surrounding hills). Yes, TFA indicates that it's cow dung that will be burned... but that just means that the wholesome goodness of that dung is not going into agricultural fertilization, which means either shipping in artificial/processed fertilizers, or very inefficiently using more land for grazing and crop production... including cutting into forests (see above).

    Yes, most of us "burn things" for clean water (to extract from a well, or to run a municipal water treatment facility), but things like this at the local level strike me as putting a tiny, tiny bandage on the symptom of a much larger problem. To wit: too many freakin' people in areas not developed enough to sustain them without very poor land use. I mean... a kilowatt? Between solar, and perhaps some of the village kids taking turns in a big hamster wheel, you could do that without burning more stuff. And, for someone who included the notion of improving the "leisure time" of poor villagers, he's not thinking too clearly about the delightful aroma that comes with 24x7 burning of cow dung.

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    1. Re:Swell. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but this strikes me as a horribly insensitive comment. While there may be lots of people in the world, and economic growth may be the best engine for improving overall welfare, this borderline victim-blaming crosses the line. If only we could have fewer of those poor, inefficient people, the world would be a happier place?

      Oh, please. It was survivors of the mudslide who said that the logging in the hills above their village is what caused the mudslide. That's not victim-blaming, that's quoting the people who said that they knew exactly what happened, and why. And yes, fewer poor, inefficient people does make the world a happier place. And you don't get that by stringing up 70-watt light bulbs (one per house! hoooo-wee!)... you get those by helping those people get themselves out of that condition - and it's all economics.

      was a time when more text messages were being exchanged in the Philippines than anywhere else in the world.

      Are you seriously suggesting that the 1500 people now buried under that mud are all buried with their cellphones? Just because downtown Manila is very well wired (and wireless) doesn't mean that the outlying islands are all up to speed. I cited that example, today, because the disaster in Leyte is an up-to-the-moment example of the consequences of really inefficient land use in a poor rural area. Portable power and water treatment are probably going to be a lot more appreciated in parts of the subcontinent and in Africa... but again, it's just a tiny symptom treatment.

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  3. Re:This is old news by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Cold fusion is not really a good analogy. Water purification and power generation are certainly possible, the question is applying the technology in a cost-effective fashion and then figuring out a way to implement it.

    I'm usually skeptical of a lot of efforts to solve poverty through technology- but this is definitely headed in the right direction. In my opinion, the most pressing needs in the developing world are the most basic ones: clean water, food, medical care, roads, electricity, basic literacy. Laptops or whatever are way down on the list because their potential payoff is relatively small compared to their cost. Things like clean water and cheap electricity could have big payoffs with relatively little investment; if you're suffering from less disease your productivity will go up, if you have light in the evening your kids can do their homework and the parents can do more work.

    Whether or not he's got the solution, he's at least got the right problems.

  4. The slippery slope by TheCrayfish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA: A satellite picture of the earth at night shows swaths of darkness across Southeast Asia, the Middle East, and Africa. For the people living there, a simple light bulb would mean an extension of both their productivity and their leisure times. -- Yes, and then it's all downhill from there: first light bulbs, then telephones for telemarketers to call, televisions for advertisers to stuff with their ads all aglow, microwave ovens to provide late-night high-fat carbohydrate-laden heart sludge, personal computers from which to have one's identity stolen, not to mention thirty-five clocks to set forward every Spring, etc. I hope these people who have lived in the beautiful nighttime darkness for so long know what they're getting themselves into.

  5. Re:Rumors by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No matter how stupid, useless and over-hyped the Segway was, Dean Kamen is still a fucking genius and the closest thing we have to a Thomas Edison in our generation.

    His insulin pump was so brilliant, it looks obvious in hindsight (as the best inventions often do.)

    Even the Segway, which is a silly gadget, makes a sort of sense. He was hoping to make a consumer product which (had it caught on with people) would apply economies of scale to his gyroscopic concepts, which would eventually make his stair-walking wheelchairs cheaper.

    If he wants to turn his mad skillz to the problem of getting clean water to people, I gotta take off my hat.

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  6. Re:Err.. by bdaehlie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is London's economy really "clean" or did they just farm out the dirty work? Is the environmental hit just being taken in another part of the world?

  7. Speaking of farms by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This would be fucking great for fish farms.

    Fisheries generate a lot of crap-filled water that generally gets pumped into (and pollutes) a local river.

    Of course, this guy's invention would have to be scaled waaaaay up for farmers of any kind in the 1st world, since they have enormous plots of land compared to most farms in 3rd world & developing countries.

    Still, Kudos to him, because he's right. Finding potable water is actually a greater problem than access to food in most of the 3rd world. However, the second you increase survival rates in those developing countries, you create a host of other problems as the population increases.

    Countries are like ecosystems, once you fiddle with one variable, you usually have to deal with a rash of unintended consequences.

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  8. Re:Rumors by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't understand all the backlash against the Segway either. I mean, if you want to attack stupid, wasteful and obnoxious vehicles, start with snowmobiles, trail bikes, then work your way to SUV's. The biggest problem with the Segway is that common folk can't afford it. If you could walk into the nearest bike store and take one home for $300, the critics would be drowned in the pool of fans. As it is, it's an attractive anti-yuppie target.

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  9. Re:Rumors by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful
    No matter how stupid, useless and over-hyped the Segway was, Dean Kamen is still a fucking genius and the closest thing we have to a Thomas Edison in our generation.


    Perhaps you mean Tesla:) Edison was more businessman than inventor.....
  10. Re:Rumors by errxn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and the closest thing we have to a Thomas Edison in our generation.

    Does that mean Kamen's stealing all of his inventions from Nikola Tesla, too?

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