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Segway Inventor Turns To Environment

MBCook writes "CNN has an article in which they talk about Dean Kamen's latest inventions designed to provide water to rural villages. His goal is also to provide electricity and opportunities for entrepreneurship. From the article: 'Eighty percent of all the diseases you could name would be wiped out if you just gave people clean water,' says Kamen. 'The water purifier makes 1,000 liters of clean water a day, and we don't care what goes into it. And the power generator makes a kilowatt off of anything that burns.'"

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  1. market to first world countries too! by snooo53 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What he should be doing is marketing this to rural farmers in developed countries. If I lived on a farm with access to the fuel, I would love to have a kilowatt generator for $1000 to supplement my electricity use.

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    1. Re:market to first world countries too! by rossifer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If I lived on a farm with access to the fuel, I would love to have a kilowatt generator for $1000 to supplement my electricity use.

      Put together a long-lived 5kW "any liquid fuel" generator for $1500 right now. Use a Changfa 195 single-cylinder low speed diesel engine coupled to a 5kW ST generator. The motor and generator will run you about $1000 and you'll need couplers, adapters and to build a solid frame for mounting. This is much heavier than the typical Honda generator, but is less expensive, longer lasting (the Honda will last for about 600 hours, this should last for 20,000 to 50,000 hours between rebuilds), highly field maintainable, is quieter (1800 RPM one cylinder instead of 3600 RPM one or two cylinder), and runs on just about any fuel.

      It ought to look a little like one of these rigs when you're done. You could also do a 10kW version using a bigger motor (1115) and generator head for about $2500.

      Assuming we're still talking about farm use, plant cottonseed or rapeseed on 20 acres, buy a cheap oil press ($400, use the same motor and coupling to drive it) and run the genset on the oil. For even lower maintenance and possibly making a little money on the side (but more up front cost), make biodiesel from the oil first.

      Regards,
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  2. Cow dung? by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The electric generator is powered by an easily-obtained local fuel: cow dung. Each machine continuously outputs a kilowatt of electricity.
    The main advantage of cow dung is that it's considered "carbon neutral". Plus it's a relatively abundant resource in the communities they're talking about. I worry a little about pollution issues, as you likely get a lot of particulates in the air. Small power plants tend to pollute more per power generated than large, centralized ones. Economics of scale and all that.
    1. Re:Cow dung? by NorthDude · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to be pedantic, even if I may sound so, but what have economics do with the fact that pollution generated by a small power plant is greater then by a big one? I would think that small power plant generate more pollution per watt produced then bigger ones because of efficiency and the physics involved rather then because of economics. But I'm no engineer, so I may well be wrong. Also, if it is carbon neutral, why do we need to worry about CO2 pollution? Isn't the whole "carbon neutral" thing an argument normally used about clean power sources?

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    2. Re:Cow dung? by pingrequest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't be fooled. They will likely burn this anyway, it is the fuel of choice, especially in rural India.

    3. Re:Cow dung? by kesuki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Apparently you've never heard of these guys i don't know anything that scales down better than 'microscopic organizims'.

      and keep in mind, that presently these rural places are just burning the dung directly, there have been numerous people trying to get the people to use methane or electric cooking produced from the cow dung instead of cooking directly over the dung, but it's a 'cost' issue. sure there are a few villages here and there that have these kinda systems, but for the most part they were the pet projects of various people who simply couldn't afford to provide the system wide scale.

  3. That's a lot of cow dung! by 'nother+poster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone know what the energy density of cow dung is? I assume it takes a few cow patties to fule a sterling engine powered generator that puts out 1kW. Bet it takes a lot more to boil enough dirty water to produce 1000L a day of distilled water.

  4. Idea by Bombula · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've had an idea for a while for a solar-powered water condensor. The condensation run off from the window-unit air conditioners in my house generate about 100 liters every 24 hours. Granted, the compressors and fans use a lot of power, but I figure that you could have a big solar panel - maybe 3 or 4 square meters - on top of a 10 foot pole so kids wouldn't mess with it, and you could get several hundred watts out of it. Relatively cheap to make, simple to run, and I've seen these window units run for years without maintenance. Seems like it'd be quite doable, and with a lot less complexity and potential to wear or break than a boiler-driven generator like what Segway Boy has in mind.

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  5. Kamen back on track. Good. by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is a step up for Kamen. He made his money designing medical devices. Medical devices tend to be designed by doctors, and the engineering is typically suboptimal, resulting in bulky, overpriced designs. Kamen's designs were better, which was a big win.

    Kamen's Segway fiasco was a mistake. Now he's back on track.

  6. Segway = consumer iBot (wheelchair) by green+pizza · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Segway is just a basic, two-wheel version of his iBot wheelchair. You know, the wheelchair that can climb stairs and raise the user up high enough to talk to standing adults? The wheelchair that's based on all of the inventions that made the Segway possible.

    Segway isn't a fiasco, it's an overhyped consumer toy. He probably makes a handsome profit from it.

  7. Learn the subject matter by NetRAVEN5000 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "Someone remind me, is this the same guy who used a gyroscope with a 60 Hz sampling rate for stability rather than, I don't know, a third wheel?"

    Yes.

    And now I ask you - what good would a third wheel do for a wheelchair that climbs stairs? Especially when it already has more than three wheels.

    The gyroscope was so that the chair would stay level when it had to go up on its hind wheels to climb the stairs.

  8. Re:Only three types of entrepreneur? by NaruVonWilkins · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's very interesting about village microloans is the extremely low rate of default. When you have a group of people involved in ensuring that a loan is repaid, especially in small matriarchal societies, you end up with as little as a 5% default rate.

  9. Re:Rumors by British · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The rumormill says this time, "it" will consist of a rider on the segway carrying water bottles for the needy.

    How about instead of just a $100 laptop, a $3 durable, easily fixable bicycle with add-on attchments for trailers? Or make some special type of wheel that, when used by a LOT of people in a common area, it paves a new road for them. Okay, now I'm thinking in Civilization terms(but those roads came in handy).

    Gotta transport that water & stuff somehow.

  10. The Segway was useless and overhyped. by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The big problem with the Segway was the hype, not the merits of device itself. When Jeff Bezos said that he could see cities being redesigned around the thing, we all thought that it had to be something revolutionary and amazing that would lead us all to change.

    What he really seems to have meant was that for the device to sell, cities would have to be redesigned first. It's too heavy, fast, and unmaneuverable to ue on sidewalks, and it's too slow, unprotected, and unmaneuverable to use on streets. In essence, for the Segway to work, there'd have to be a completely new set of lanes for it. Additionally, it has all the problems of not protecting against the elements or having cargo space that prevent it from truly replacing cars. It's also far too expensive for the average person to justify the limited utility.

    To sum up, it costs too much and can't be used in a majority of outdoor situations. It was overhyped when it had commercial flop written all over it. The Segway was brilliant example of promising the world and delivering nothing.

    Snowmobiles and trail bikes at least have thrill-seeking element that the 12.5 MPH, no off-roading Segway did not.

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  11. Not just high school by Shag · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The LEGO Mindstorms beloved to so many Slashdotters are used by 9-14 year olds (basically grades 4-8) in the FIRST LEGO League International, which has participants in almost 2 dozen countries.

    And since last year, within the US they've been piloting a "Junior FIRST LEGO League" for ages 6-9. I just found out about it, and my daughter's in that age range... bet she'll be happy to hear. :)

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  12. A better idea by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    tap water should only be cleaned to a certain percent, which can be used for lawns / car-washes / firefighting / pools, cleaned a bit further for household uses (laundry, bathing) by an in-home filter, and cleaned further for drinking by a tap-based carbon filter (Brita, etc). But this is a lot of equipment.

    I'm sure that due to economies of scale, the water utility can purify a given amount of water more efficiently than I can. (Those Brita filters are expensive!) So here's a better idea:

    Run two pipes to every home. The big pipe carries minimally-cleaned water, and the small pipe carries water purified to human consumption standards. The lawn sprinkler system uses water straight out of the big pipe. For laundry and bathing, use a blend of, say, 70% from the big pipe and 30% from the small pipe.

    It's kind of like how Sunoco stations used to sell about six different grades of gasoline. There were only two tanks in the ground, and the pump mixed the top-shelf stuff with the base stuff to achieve the desired octane.

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  13. Re:Cost/benefit may rule it out here by Forbman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In some ways, first-world farmers are efficient (or at least, productive). The production outputs by one farmer these days is pretty amazing, compared to even 30 years ago. But it sucks up a LOT of energy resources. There is a swing in some areas to methods that take fewer inputs, yet receive the same or nearly the same production outputs that "traditional" methods use. No-till seed drilling, dual-cropping, etc are some of the ways to it.

    For those who question it, have you ever seen pictures from when wheat was harvested with horse-drawn equipment? Lessee... 40-horse team was not uncommon, a crew to run the steam engine and thresher, where to put the mountain of straw? Lots of work for teenage boys stacking sacks of grain. It used to be a MAJOR endeavor. Now 4 or 5 combine drivers, a couple of tractors to pull grain wagons around, and a couple of trucks to take grain to the driers or silos, and 1000 acres/day harvested is not impossible.

    Where I live (Willamette Valley, OR) is the major rye and fescue grass seed production areas in the US. Some of the methods people use require LOTS of work, yet my neighbor, who is big into no-till, does just fine with his no-till drill (he does a lot of custom no-till planting, too), plus doesn't spend a lot of time in the fall and spring removing cover crop or stubble, prepping the soil (plowing, discing, pulverizing, smoothing), etc. His no-till drill just sticks the seed right in. Sure, no-till is not for every crop, but it works well for grass.

    He doesn't have a lot of bare fields this year, which is kind of luck of the draw given the rains here this winter. But other farmers, who have hundreds of acres of bare or fall-planted fields right now where the seed is just now starting to germinate (and don't do no-till), have suffered some pretty significant soil erosion this winter. Kind of sad, realizing all the topsoil that has been washed into the rivers. Plus, there is all the topsoil they convert into dust in the summer and fall, too.

    Dairy farms are more and more starting to either make biogas generators (i.e., covering up the manure pits and piping the gas into compressors and burning it in generators. Makes sense if you've ever driven past an open manure pit on a hot summer day) or other equipment that rapidly breaks down the manure into water and solid products. But this equipment costs some pretty good coin.

    yes, some of these equipment installations are because of environmental concerns of either waste water leaking into groundwater supplies or air quality concerns, but still... some of this is being done.

    the average feedlot, however, probably is not into this as much. If you have enough manure volume, yes, there is a smallish side market of processing the manure pile into mulch or compost, but that's about it. Except for some special product areas (zoo poop, pelletized poultry waste), it's pretty low margin, so you need a lot of manure to make a go of it. it's pretty seasonal, too. Some environmental concerns are driving this kind of equipmentop,l for other livestock production as well (poultry, pork).

    Me and my 30 or so sheep? Well, the sheep poop is good for the pasture. As long as I'm not taking the sheep off and putting them in someone's freeezers, it is a relatively closed loop as far as my pastures go (I don't need to fertilize a lot!).