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The Looming Battle Over Online Gambling

Kadin2048 writes "According to an recent Ars Technica article, the US is headed on a 'collision course' with the WTO over off-shore Internet gambling, if a bill currently in the House of Representatives passes. The 'Internet Gambling Prohibition Act,' (PDF) which updates the 'Wire Act' to prohibit Internet gambling regardless of whether the servers are located in the US or outside of it, is in direct contravention of a WTO ruling. Proponents of the bill claim that it was narrowly defeated in previous incarnations due to the influence of disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff. However it seems as though some of Abramoff's biggest clients -- brick and mortar casinos -- are really the big winners from passage of this bill, since it does not prohibit gambling in person, only online."

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  1. I wouldn't... by Galston · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wouldn't bet on this ending nicely at all.

    1. Re:I wouldn't... by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 4, Funny

      Come on, I'll give you 3 to 1 odds.

  2. Gimme a break! by gasmonso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is sponsored by US casinos that are losing business to online ones. Instead of pushing through bs legislation, they should have to compete by making their own casinos online. Yet another example of "bought" legislation that serves only the good of corporations.

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    1. Re:Gimme a break! by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Instead of pushing through bs legislation, they should have to compete by making their own casinos online.
      Apparently, though, they can't because they're located in the US and it's already illegal for them to do it (that's what that "Wire Act" thing is). This new bill is about making it illegal to gamble at online casinos located outside the US, which only levels the playing field.

      I think the best solution, though, is just to repeal the laws against gambling here, along with all the other laws that try to protect people against themselves. If they want to do something stupid, I say we let them!
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    2. Re:Gimme a break! by zulux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they want to do something stupid, I say we let them!

      I agree! But unfortunatly, the same people that would gamble their future away are the same types of people that won't accept responsibility for their own actions.

      I'd be all for legalizing gambeling, drugs and protitution --- if the people who engaged in such behaviour diden't keep asking for goverment handouts.

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  3. RE by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Call me cynical.... But I think that the Bricks and mortar casinos give enough money to politicos that there is not a snowballs chance in hell that online gambling will be legal.
    Also, Online, offshore gambling is tough to tax. If the government can't tax it, they will outlaw it...

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    1. Re:RE by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Okay Mr. Cynical, what you don't seem to comprehend is that while yes, the United States can blow off the WTO, there will eventually be consequences.

      The WTO will probably pick out an important U.S. export industry and apply some trade sanctions to it.

      It works.

      The United States has backed down to the WTo before and they'll do it again. So, while "the wto-is-only-good-when-its-convenient", they also have means to enforce their will.

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  4. Consolidate it all by ThisIsForReal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Consolidate the whole world into the Extended USA. Then legalize everything: gambling, drugs, prostitutes, ripping CD's into MP3's (just kidding, that should always be illegal). Then tax the hell out of the whole thing, and reduce us all to serfs working and toiling for "the man", which is now a single ruling body over everything.

    Everybody will work towards Friday under oppression, then celebrate the weekend by gambling, doing drugs and girls, and then listening to illgotten music (just kidding about that one). Problems solved.

    Ahh, gambling. The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.

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  5. Is this the SAME Congress by bherman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That was telling google et al to locate their servers offshore to avoid China asking for information from them or asking them to filter content in their search engines......which is it????
    I hate this Congress.....they claim that it would be ok for us to do to another country, but not to our own. I guess their mothers never taught them the golden rule. "Treat others as you want to be treated"

    Screw them.

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  6. 30 MILLION dollars to fight gambling? by acaben · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That's the real kicker in this proposed bill. They want to spend $30 Million over the next 3 years to fight gambling. Great, add that to the DOJ's war on porn, and perhaps sometime in the next 20 or 30 years we can go back to looking for Osama Bin Laden. Once all that porn and gambling is stopped. Priorities, people, prioties.

    And, even though I'm disgusted by the money they want to spend on this, I'm more disgusted that the "personal responsibility" party (repubs) and "keep your government out of my bedroom" party (dems) both think that gambling is something they have the right to regulate. Do some (dumb) people become addicted to gambling and spend their life savings? Yes, and they deserve to lose that money. Just because there are a few people unable to think logically about their actions doesn't mean we should prevent the tens of millions of people who enjoy the thrill of a weekend in Vegas or Party Poker from doing so responsibly.

  7. Poker Players Over Here To Unite by cybrpnk2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Time to join the Poker Player Alliance, which has been specifically formed to fight legislation like this. Besides, they've got a pretty neat T-shirt.

  8. Re:Bets 'n Boobs by RembrandtX · · Score: 4, Funny

    I beg to differ. All across the world people get 'worked up' over boobs.

    Its just that in the U.S. thats what people object to :P

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  9. Re:What? by jfruhlinger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, except that our elected govt. signed the treaty and now has to play by the rules we agreed to. We could always pull out ... the WTO can't make us play by their rules, but they can kick us out of the club if we don't.

    Which would be bad, since we benefit from being in the WTO in about a kajillion ways, mostly involving telling other countries how to run their economies. Or does your idea of "national sovreignty" only apply to the US?

    jf

  10. Over-protection by RyoShin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Protect me from murder.

    Protect me from rape, from robbery, from bodily assault.

    Protect me from corporations swindling me.

    Protect me from bodily damage from others.

    But, please, stop protecting me from myself. I can protect me from myself just fine without the government jumping in with a few choice words.

    If you're so concerned about those too incompetent to protect themselves from themselves, find a way to either educate them or allow them to continue down their self-destructive path without taking out others along the way.

    It's good that you care for those types. (Someone has to.) However, restricting me because a small minority can't restrict themselves is not right.

    And if you're doing this because of some moral high ground, go jump off a bridge.

  11. What about gambling in MMORPGs? by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This makes me wonder what the legality will be (or is) of gambling in MMORPGs and other virtual realities, particularly those like Second Life where in-game items and currency can be bought and sold with real-world money. If you make in-game gambling illegal, that seems like an unreasonable (and perhaps unconstitutional?) constraint placed on creators of games. On the other hand, if in-game gambling is legal, that's a pretty big loophole for the "evils of gambling" to get through.

    On that note, couldn't all for-pay MMORPGs be considered a form of gambling? Players pay a certain amount each month, and there's a certain chance that you'll be able to accumulate in-game items which can be sold for real-world money. There's of course an entertainment aspect to the game, but there's also an entertainment aspect for going to a casino.