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A Look at GNOME 2.14
An anonymous reader writes "Gnome has a nice preview of their newest version 2.14 posted which should be hitting the streets around the 15th of March. From the article: "As well as new features and more polish, developers have been working around the clock to squeeze more performance out of the most commonly used applications and libraries. This is a review of some of the most shiny work that has gone into the upcoming GNOME release."
Makes me want to fire up my linux box again. I particularly like the admin tools and the "save your search as a folder" feature. OS X admin tools are sometimes a little restricted for my taste.
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I really hope they've got the xcompmgr debugged so it works without freezing on my Inspiron8000. Factoring all display rendering operations out of the CPU onto the GPU in OpenGL will really squeeze a lot more performance out of GNOME, across the board.
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Gnome is now knocking off OS X
Why not call it collaboration instead. OS X is using like 50 GNU programs straight off, source and everything. Gnome (Which is part of GNU) is borrowing some ideas, but not code from OS X. "Knocking off" seams like a bad thing when both GNU and Apple are using eachohers ideas and it's probably benifitial for both projects.
Why do so many linux programmers insist on such crazy naming conventions. Sabayon? Changing a perfectly servicable and pragmagic GNOME Meeting to "Ekiga"?
I use linux both at home and at work, so I'm not some anti-linux zealot or something- I think it's a legitimate question to raise. On my mac laptop, I have a handy app for browsing mDNS networks called Rendezvous Browser (since mDNS was once called Rendezvous). The name is simple and describes perfectly what the program does. On the other hand, 90% of the linux applications available have names that look like they were chosen by picking random letters and squishing them together. I'm sure that the programmers think they've very clever by choosing a name that means something in some obscure language- or they just thing the name sounds cool- but that simple lack of meaningful names is detrimental. If I start up a GNOME session and want to use network meeting functionality, how is there any possible way that I could guess that "Ekiga" is the application I'm looking for?
The ringing of the division bell has begun... -PF
Untill they put a spot where you can type in a file path into the open and save dialogs, i wont go back to gnome.
You have Gnome and KDE - two very different approaches that manage to co-exist side by side. I'm a KDE guy myself, but I must say that Gnome's looking really polished and I can see Gnome and KDE standing beside, if not taller than Windows in the near future. I won't be switching because I like KDE's direction, but there are probbaly a lot of Gnome users who say the same and I can appreciate that. :)
We also do need to thank the artists that put in the time to create the icons and mouse cursors for us. You can put in all the anti-aliasing you want, but if something like the icons dont look good, people get put off. I'm just really happy for the Gnome guys and all I can say is, "keep it up, you're doing a great job!"
Linux is about choice. I wouldn't want either Gnome or KDE to wipe each other out. They need to co-exist simply to show Windows users that there is a choice available if not for anything else
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
Ekiga, formerly known as GNOME Meeting,
Oooh! Ekiga is a much more meaningful name than GNOME Meeting. GNOME naming just gets better and better. I know the last time I wanted to search for font information, overly sexually active monkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo was the very first thing that popped into my head.
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
when you remove the DRM from the code, you remove the ability to decode the DRM content.
how is this different from simply not installing the DRM-enabled plugins in the GNOME product, aside from being far more difficult and pointless?
free software, open standards, open file formats, no software patents.
Yes, but the clever people at Ubuntu have managed to find a (patent-pending) way to keep their standard 6 month release cycle nicely in sync with the Gnome standard 6 month release cycle. I don't have time to explain to you how it works, though. Sorry.
Call me crazy, but why bother coding it then? Isn't the trusted stability and consistency of glibc malloc() worth more than a minor speed increase?
How we know is more important than what we know.
It's looking very polished. In the looks department it certainly is good enough for corporate users. It might not be 100% of where OSX is or have the fancy glass effects that Vista will have, but it's certainly light years ahead of what it was just 5 years ago.
I just wish for one thing, and that is that the Gnome and KDE people would cooperate on clipboard and drag and drop standards so that software from one would work in that department at least in the other.
Vista is much worse than just a plugin, they're planning to control via DRM absolutely all the path that the media content follows from your DVD to your screen.
.doc documents. Has microsoft published the office stanrdard to let people steal market share from a product which is 30% of the total income of microsoft? Hell, no. Publishing standards in office 2003 looked nice to governments. In the real world, office 2003 also includes DRM. All documents DRM'ed with office will need...office to be opened again in the future. No other software will be able to open them if Microsoft doesn't let them. Office standards being "opened" is just a lie. DRM being "secure" is just a lie. I can do everything office DRM does with PGP - even allowing people to see documents remotely through a "DRM server"
DRM is just a propietary file format to keep people tied to a software just like CSS is a very succesful way to control the dvd-player market. It's not there to keep people away from seeing video. By implemeting DRM support you break the main purpose of DRM
The one reason why itunes sells DRMed songs is because in 5-10 years, everyone who bought itunes songs will NEED to buy a ipod to listen those songs, no matter if by that time ipod is the worst and more expensive player of the galaxy. You're stuck with apple products
The same goes for DRM'ed
So DRM is just a closed document format. But instead of being a standard closed format which can be reverse-ingeniereed, they use crypto to make the "perfect closed format": A closed format that can't be reverse-enginereed. By allowing people to use DRM in other systems you break the purpose of DRM. But yes, DRM should be avoided. It's ironic that DRM has been created in the country that is supposed to love capitalism - DRM keeps me away from choosing products from other companies which is what the capitalism is about.
restricting the users' rights As opposed to, oh I don't know, some random person advocating restricting users rights to run what they choose to on their system.
Some people are going to want to run and use DRM-ified content. You are trying to restrict their rights to do so by demonizing a technology that can not be evil so as to push forward your own agenda. Information does not want to be free, it can't want anything. Software does not have rights, computers do not have rights. People do have the right to use their system the way they want, and that includes choosing systems that use DRM.
A truly free system allows the user to choose how to use it, it is not one where the developers force their agenda.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
You're right, a good artist knows when to remove things instead of just adding
When I want a painting of a UI then, I'll talk to GNOME. Since I want to actually *USE* the UI, I'll stick with kde
I think you just won the award for the craziest question ever asked on Slashdot. Motif widgets are NOT interchangeable with Qt/Gtk.
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Not as crazy as you think. If you need to migrate a large Xt and Motif application to a modern toolkit, that's the most sensible solution. And the exact reason why the TT has developed the Qt Motif Extension. The Qt Motif Extension provides a complete and working solution for incremental migration. http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/motif-walkthrough.ht
Yeah, yeah, right. What about DVDs I would like to see? What about DRM-enabled bought files from iTunes?
Lets be clear. DRM is not evil. Abuse of it's functionality and usage from RIAA/MPIAA is, well, it is close to stupid and shortsighted (at least so far - region coding for DVD for price fixing, requesting DRM for bough songs in Internet shops like iTunes). But there are lot of LEGAL and UNDERSTANDING uses of DRM in multimedia, even for small media companies.
I understand that music and movie cartel actions is something is should not taken lightly, however, such hyperbole which are claimed by RMS and other "wisle blowers" are too much. Fight companies which abuse DRM, don't fight DRM itself. Because by itself it is just one of technologies to allow copyright holders have their rights fullfilled. If it is abused to limit anything.
It is NOT a black/white situation. And claiming that Fluendo is doing just to give "control of Linux desktop media to cartels" are plainly overblown and childish claim. Fluendo actually created LEGAL mp3 plugin for you to use, freerly. you can download it at their webshop, put it in your home directory, and vola - no half-legal repositories, no endless searching. It is just works.
And by the way, Xine is illegal to distribute in US with mp3/divx/quicktime support. It is just by the way. Mplayer too.
Of course, there is "nothing wrong" with these apps in geeks view. But it totally wrong to think that any distro will get ANY kind of support for those prioritary formats out there with such attitude. Oh, you don't want prioritary formats? What about your XVID videos? What about divx movies? Mp3? Quicktime trailers which geeks love so much? Haven't got enough?
Be real. There is world out there which are seeking compromises not always screaming about something they don't like. And trolling (yes, such claims about Fluendo ARE trolls) won't help not your cause, nor KDE, nor Linux desktop overall.
user@ubuntubox:~$ stfu This server is going down for shutdown NOW!
Kde has had this for awhile now, so in kedit, konq, kchat whatever you have a spellcheck available to you. Simple idea but when integarted into the os, it's really handy to know it's always there.
Why hasn't gnome got on the ball with this?
How about every one of the binutils.. last time I checked there was more than 50.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Just fix the bugs first. I'd be happy if gconfd-2, clock-applet, and evolution didn't leak memory like it was going out of style. Even with a gig of memory, having to kill of these processes once or twice a day to keep the machine from crashing is a bit over the top.
Well said.
I should be able to explore the majority of the useful functionality just by opening the application and clicking through it.
You should bloody well be able to explore ALL of the functionality, PERIOD. There is simply no excuse for ANY of the configuration options not to be exposed within easy/obvious reach and explorable in as much or as little detail as desired. Don't want to put off beginners? It's dead simple to cater to both beginners and in depth users. It's as simple as putting an "Advanced Preferences" line under the "Preferences" line in the "Edit" menu on the app. Hello? Gnome? Anybody home? How hard is that, damnit!?
Yes, I do believe the metaphor Apple was striving to acheive is "the document is the application". Therefore, to edit a file, you double-click it. To quit editing it, you invoke file.quit().
And when that day comes, if it ever does, there will be great rejoicing.
Maybe this is Gnome's problem. What are they doing putting any attention toward improving the terminal!
They're not. Gnome Terminal is a good indicator of how fast their font rendering is now. Don't confuse the benchmark programs with the actual technology.
They put attention towards font rendering.. gnome terminal can render anti-aliased fonts faster than an unanti-aliased xterm.
Give me a break. "According to developers".. bullshit. You didn't ask them.
From the gnome-screensaver FAQ:
Why doesn't the screensaver preferences tool allow me to change the settings for the theme?
We are trying to take a different approach. We would prefer for the themes to simply work.
From Bug 316654 - no ability to configure the different screensavers, which is resolved and marked WONTFIX:
I don't have any plans to support this. My view is that any screensaver theme that requires configuration is inherently broken.
From Bug 316655 - no ability to full screen preview individual screensavers, which is also resolved and marked WONTFIX:
There are no plans to implement this feature. I don't think this feature solves any real problems.
Res ipsa loquitur.
Noone is forcing anything on you. DRM plugins will be in the "ugly" module.
The whole reason why GStreamer started was to create a framework that would enable these "ugly" DRM plugins. GStreamer has hurt the multimedia effort on Linux and the Free Desktop because they stole talented developers from much more mature projects like Xine, MPlayer, and VLC. In other words, they further fragmented the developer base purely for the selfish, immoral purpose of ramming DRM down Linux users' throats.
Of course, they've tried to sugar coat this in order to attract developers (heck, their propaganda machine is quite good) but the fact remains that GStreamer is technologically inferior to Xine even now (Xine has a much cleaner, light-weight, robust API than GStreamer can hope to achieve in a long time).
Xine is more stable, but GStreamer has the better design (it already surpassed Windows' DirectShow). Also, with Xine, VLC, and mplayer, it is impossible to play DVDs legally. Thus, GStreamer's closed-source modules are a good thing. No DVDs means no new Joe Averages for the Linux desktop, no increased market share and therefore no greater influence useful for fighting MS lock-ins by giving standards weight. Right now, Linux distros work out-of-the-box with standards like Ogg and OpenDocument, but MS can still push wmv/wma simply because the Linux bastion has no power to push their stuff.
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Yes, Word sucks, but it sure beats writing a typical document from the command line. And Excel doesn't suck. In fact, it's by far and away the best piece of software ever written. I know I'll be flamed for saying that, but I kindly ask you all: Is there any other software out there that is in general use, that actually works, that is easily usable for novices and skilled users alike and that is as versatile?
The biggest problem with Excel is that almost all other software have serious flaws. Thus, people use Excel for purposes it is definitely not suited for, primarily "databases" (I use that term loosely here).
It's like if someone developed a 2005 VW Golf in 1920. All the other cars and trucks would be terrible by comparison, and everyone and his mother would use the Golf for all kinds of purposes. And it would take two minutes to complain that too little cargo will fit, even though the actual problem is a lack of a proper truck.