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CIA Secretly Reclassifying Documents

SetupWeasel writes "The New York Times is reporting that the CIA is secretly reclassfying documents. How did we catch on? Historians have some of the documents. From the article: "eight [of the] reclassified documents had been previously published in the State Department's history series, 'Foreign Relations of the United States.'" Are our intelligence agencies rewriting history, stupidly paranoid, or both? We do know that they are ignoring a 2003 law that requires formal reclassifications. It puts that whole Google censorship thing in a whole new light. (Americans aren't allowed to see that video.)"

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  1. Route around that censorship. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Informative


    For interested Americans, the 'big boom' video censored by Google may be viewed here.

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    1. Re:Route around that censorship. by demaria · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is NOT interesting, and is it not censorship.

      It's some dork who uploaded a video with the "play in all countries except the united states" option turned on. It's just a stupid google feature.

    2. Re:Route around that censorship. by Chyeld · · Score: 5, Informative

      When you upload a video to Google, you pick the countries it is viewable in. The reason Google has this in place is because Google Video was originally meant to be a video store and not just another YourTube. When selling video, it's sometimes important that only certain regions are allowed to view the video, as the rights to distribution in other regions might not be yours.

      This is not Google censoring anything, the person who uploaded the video just indicated that it should not be viewable in the USA.

  2. Article Text - Fuck NYT registration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    U.S. Reclassifies Many Documents in Secret Review
    By SCOTT SHANE
    Published: February 21, 2006

    WASHINGTON, Feb. 20 -- In a seven-year-old secret program at the National Archives, intelligence agencies have been removing from public access thousands of historical documents that were available for years, including some already published by the State Department and others photocopied years ago by private historians.

    The restoration of classified status to more than 55,000 previously declassified pages began in 1999, when the Central Intelligence Agency and five other agencies objected to what they saw as a hasty release of sensitive information after a 1995 declassification order signed by President Bill Clinton. It accelerated after the Bush administration took office and especially after the 2001 terrorist attacks, according to archives records.

    But because the reclassification program is itself shrouded in secrecy -- governed by a still-classified memorandum that prohibits the National Archives even from saying which agencies are involved -- it continued virtually without outside notice until December. That was when an intelligence historian, Matthew M. Aid, noticed that dozens of documents he had copied years ago had been withdrawn from the archives' open shelves.

    Mr. Aid was struck by what seemed to him the innocuous contents of the documents -- mostly decades-old State Department reports from the Korean War and the early cold war. He found that eight reclassified documents had been previously published in the State Department's history series, "Foreign Relations of the United States."

    "The stuff they pulled should never have been removed," he said. "Some of it is mundane, and some of it is outright ridiculous."

    After Mr. Aid and other historians complained, the archives' Information Security Oversight Office, which oversees government classification, began an audit of the reclassification program, said J. William Leonard, director of the office.

    Mr. Leonard said he ordered the audit after reviewing 16 withdrawn documents and concluding that none should be secret.

    "If those sample records were removed because somebody thought they were classified, I'm shocked and disappointed," Mr. Leonard said in an interview. "It just boggles the mind."

    If Mr. Leonard finds that documents are being wrongly reclassified, his office could not unilaterally release them. But as the chief adviser to the White House on classification, he could urge a reversal or a revision of the reclassification program.

    A group of historians, including representatives of the National Coalition for History and the Society of Historians of American Foreign Relations, wrote to Mr. Leonard on Friday to express concern about the reclassification program, which they believe has blocked access to some material at the presidential libraries as well as at the archives.

    Among the 50 withdrawn documents that Mr. Aid found in his own files is a 1948 memorandum on a C.I.A. scheme to float balloons over countries behind the Iron Curtain and drop propaganda leaflets. It was reclassified in 2001 even though it had been published by the State Department in 1996.

    Another historian, William Burr, found a dozen documents he had copied years ago whose reclassification he considers "silly," including a 1962 telegram from George F. Kennan, then ambassador to Yugoslavia, containing an English translation of a Belgrade newspaper article on China's nuclear weapons program.

    Under existing guidelines, government documents are supposed to be declassified after 25 years unless there is particular reason to keep them secret. While some of the choices made by the security reviewers at the archives are baffling, others seem guided by an old bureaucratic reflex: to cover up embarrassments, even if they occurred a half-century ago.

    One reclassified document in Mr. Aid's files, for instance, gives the C.I.A.'s assessment on Oct. 12, 1950, that Chinese intervention in the Korean Wa

  3. take it for what it is. by PrinceAshitaka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone is always worried about governments "rewriting history" i.e. from the post "Are our intelligence agencies rewriting history, stupidly paranoid, or both?" This here is not an example of that. The government is not rewriting history, just denying access to it. Whether that is as bad is debatable.

    This poster in no way agrees with what the CIA is doing, just pointing out an oft made error. This here is not some Orwellian nightmare.

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    1. Re:take it for what it is. by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The government is not rewriting history, just denying access to it. [...] This here is not some Orwellian nightmare.

      Ok, read this:
      "John Doe died in 1942 after being shot in the face by the president of the united states for looking at him funny. The president attended his funeral and pissed on his grave."

      Now, I won't rewrite history, I will simply deny access to a part of it:
      "John Doe died in 1942. The president attended his funeral."

      P.S. Any ressemblance between my example and real persons or events is purely coincidental. Use of "president" is made to give the anecdote a sense of historical relevance. No animals were hurt in the making of this comment.

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  4. It's an old problem... by ChePibe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone who has held a security clearence can tell you - the government over-classifies. From my brief stint with a security clearence, I can honestly say I didn't learn anything from the documents I viewed that one couldn't reach by common sense or looking around on the internet.

    While I think most will agree that classification is important to basic security - protecting sources and methods saves lives - there is little doubt that the US government uses it too much and always has. There is always a fear that even a slight mention in a report or stating information that we shouldn't know and only know through a secret source or method will blow the program and potentially waste millions or, worse, put someone's life in danger.

    Most of the time this is unwarranted and, in the case of these specific documents, one has to wonder a great deal about it. That said, from time to time, it's absolutely necessary. (Following is an anecdote from a professor I had who worked for Senate Intelligence Committe for a while and, yes, was a Democrat) In the late 1970's, an FBI author of a book on the Rosenburg incident, for example, was angered by what he believed to be censorship regarding important information on the case. After going through the motions to allow him to print that part what he wanted, he found the reason - the information he wanted to print came from a source who, after more than 30 years, was still reporting from the USSR. Putting it in his book would have, without doubt, led to his death.

    The "missile gap" of the late 50's - early 60's is another example - it existed only in public perception, and this had been confirmed by secret intelligence programs. But, rather than divulge this information and risk intelligence-gathering the programs, Kennedy was allowed to use it as a political plank.

    Don't get me wrong - the government absolutely over classifies data, something I know perfectly well from experience. But, from time to time, it has been extremely important to keep what we know under wraps.

  5. That's why there's Cryptome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.cryptome.org/ They archive all kinds of stuff that was being pulled of the Internet in the post 9/11 world.

  6. Re:For as long as Governments .. by Tony · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Geeze, what does a president have to do these days to get impeached when breaking an enshrined value in the constitution, and a law isn't enough?

    Get a blowjob from an intern.

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  7. Re:I don't get that video by thefirelane · · Score: 5, Informative

    Insightful?

    Settle down everyone, and read this.

    It is a feature when you upload a video to say who can and cannot watch a video, not "US Government Censorship"

  8. Bill of rights re-classified by matt_martin · · Score: 5, Funny

    This just in:

    In the latest step to protect us all from terrorists, the bill of rights has been re-classified.
    Dick Cheney revealed that he has been given the executive power by the president to classify specific portions of the constitution. "If they know their rights, it will give them an edge in the war on terror. Agents have shown time and again that they can move much faster and more effectively without any constitutional entanglements. Americans understand that this is a necessary measure."

    Rumors that a secret house-to-house gun collection program is underway have been vehemently denied by Whitehouse spokesman Scott McCleanone. Mr McC also deflected a question about the house's mysterious inability to find procedural documents relating to the drawing of articles of impeachment.

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