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Switching a College from Desktops to Laptops?

tverbeek asks: "The college of art and design where I work is going to start switching next year from a labs-with-desktops approach to computers, to a students-with-laptops approach. The president appears to have made up his mind that we're doing it, so that's not really up for debate. We'll be starting by equipping all the full-time faculty this year, then next year start requiring (as in 'you can use financial aid to pay for it') each new student to buy a laptop that meets our specs (Apple or Dell, depending on major). Does anyone have experience with this kind of transition? What were the biggest complications?" "How did you handle software licensing, especially for high-priced apps? How do you do software installs/upgrades? What do you do for resource-hungry apps (e.g. CAD, 3D rendering)? What about traditional lab configuration issues like anti-malware software, classroom restrictions on IM/P2P/network gaming, standard configuration options, etc. that would seem impossible to do with computers you don't own?

I know that many other colleges have done this sort of thing, but what about *art schools* or other colleges with high-end needs but mostly non-technical users, and where something like Photoshop is considered a 'core' application more than MS Office? Also, I'm especially interested in info about much more/less support staff the laptop approach requires; my intuition says that 1000 unsecured laptops will take more work to support than 300 locked-down desktops, but I need data."

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  1. Remote Desktop by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Set up a main server with all the software the students need. Then allow them to Remote Desktop in to use the server's resources for all those CPU-intensive tasks.

    Let them buy their own copies of PS or whatever if they want to.

    Better yet, quit now before the whole thing goes to hell. Find a nice cushy job in the industry rather than eke along in academia.

    1. Re:Remote Desktop by WhyCause · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The thing is, it's not 'stupider,' and I'll tell you why.

      As mentioned by the OP, requiring that students have a laptop allows financial aid to pay for it. Once every student has a laptop, the school no longer needs to invest the space and money on computer labs, just omnipresent wireless connectivity. In essence, the school is shifting the expense of computing from an indirect cost (i.e., tutition increase) to a direct cost (purchase). Frankly, most students would give their eye-teeth for a computer they don't have to share; the requirement of said machines makes the purchase affordable (via student loans).

      Additionally, many software companies will deal in bulk with universities to provide lower-cost licenses to students/faculty. These programs encourage graduated students to purchase the software when they are out in the real world because they are familiar with it. MS is good at this, offering Office and Windows licenses for $75 each (yes, the newest versions, think XP Pro and Office 2003 full whiz-bang version). As far as high-end packages (solid-modeling in this case), one software company gives the school an unlimited number of licenses for a $5000 fee, but the school can earn that fee back by using the software in class demonstrations, required projects, etc. Again, the full-bore version, not a limited thing (this is software that costs $5000 per seat in the real world). Required software is also an eligible purchase using aid monies, thus making it easier on the student (in the short-term, at least).

      The thing you're getting hung up on here is the difference between required purchase and mandated purchase. The latter (as I define it) is a computer bought, maintained, and controlled for you by the school. Medical schools (at least one I know of) are shifting to this setup, with exams being taken on the laptop (and answers being submitted via wireless; don't get me started). All other software is disabled while the test software is being run, and woe be unto you if you bring in a laptop for service that has anything other than school-sanctioned software on it.

      All that being said, there are two problems I have with required computer plans. The first is that they tend to isolate students. Some of the more productive, enlightening, and entertaining times I had at school occured while working in the close proximity of other in a computer lab at four in the morning. The second is that, in order to justify the program, professors are encouraged to shoehorn computer-use into classes that don't need computers. Some professors do great things with the new technology, others, well, let's just say it doesn't work out so well sometimes.

    2. Re:Remote Desktop by LurkerXXX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So? When I was in college I was 'forced' to buy a bunch of textbooks. They were my property, but the University mandated I used a particular set of books that the professors had chosen to teach from. It's really no different. You might claim a laptop is a lot bigger purchase than some books, but my books were all expensive and I needed a new set every semester. A few semesters worth easily added up to a midrange laptop.

    3. Re:Remote Desktop by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All that's well and good, but it's still not an excuse to get rid of the labs. For example, my school requires all incoming students to own a computer (and has basic minimum requirements, but only general ones) but still also has various labs (including both normal desktop labs and specialized ones, such as high-performance clusters and whatnot). We even have an account with MSDNAA, so if I wanted (and didn't despise just about everything made by Microsoft) I could just download a copy of Windows, Office, Visual Studio, etc. for free.

      The point I'm trying to make is that the school needs to make several alternatives availale. Require the students to own their own computer, sure. But they still need a backup plan in case their computer breaks or something.

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    4. Re:Remote Desktop by flewp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you're looking to do any real serious 3D work, then they should be teaching something along the lines of Maya, XSI, etc (as in, programs that the real world uses).

      The problem is, as you have brought up, seems like they don't teach the general concepts that fundementally drive 3D as a whole. An example in modelling might be them telling you how to use tools, but not something such as edge/geometry flow, edge loops, etc. It's one thing to know how to use the tools in Maya, but it's another thing alltogether to know why you're using them, and when/how to use them properly. However, given the complexity and scope of some of the 3D programs out there, there is a need for classes specifically geared to them. Unfortunately, no one teaches the basics before teaching the tools.

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    5. Re:Remote Desktop by spge · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree that running big graphics jobs over Remote Desktop is unwise. However, BadAnalogyGuy suggested that students get their own copy of PS (Photoshop). They would presumably run this on their laptops, rather than over Remote Desktop. However, it doesn't make much sense to use the server for other processor-intensive tasks seeing as most modern, cheap laptops are very quick anyway. For example, my 1.6GHz Centrino is faster at video rendering than my >2GHz Dell workstation.
      Students should be able to get their software very cheaply using educational licenses. Or the college could provide them with it, for the duration of their courses.

  2. ...Wow. by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a horrible idea. Crime in the area around my first college was bad, I'd hate to think what it would be like with _every_ student carrying several hundred dollars worth of pawnable hardware. I also see plenty of students incredibly pissed at having to allocate hundreds of dollars to a laptop that they need for food. Not to mention that it's a laptop that they, effectively, aren't going to have full control over what they run on.

    Please, don't be so cheap.

  3. Laptop Initiative. by grim4593 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I go to Lawrence Technological University, and they have a Laptop Initiative. They have two sets of computer types: a compaq laptop for architect/sciences and a micron laptop for the engineers. Each Major type has their own 'Laptop Image' that loads the computer with the OS and programs. Since all the computers are the same they just image everything in the labs and hand them out to the students. Then the student is free to do what they wish with the computers. They have no locks on them what-so-ever. The programs on the computers are registered like corporations, and some of them require you to be on campus to use them (Matlab) because they have to contact the campus servers. As for upgrades, its up to the student. However, every two years the computers are returned to the help desk for the next set of images to be loaded. And if you bork your computer, you can just go down there and have them re-image it for you. Any physical damages have to be paid for though. You don't have to use a campus issued computer. If you have your own you can use it on their network, but will not be pre-registered on the domain or given any programs/support. The laptop initiative is very useful because it allows students and faculity to contact each other when ever needed. Our whole school is wireless with printers throughout the buildings, so presentations and class work can be done on them.

  4. Re:The most important question is ... by Belseth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back when I worked as a model and prop maker I had a serious problem with lost tools. For a number of years I painted all the tools with a type of hot pink until it was discontinued. It was offensive looking but the entire time I used it I never lost a tool to thieft. People laughed but they left them alone. It's serious business when you start loosing thousands in tools a year. The color was so intense that I could stand in the middle of the room and point to every tool of mine. If some one wants to steal all you can do is make your stuff less attractive so they'll go on to the next person. It may be possible to repaint the computer but if they have the choice between your laptop and one that's unpainted they'll go for the unpainted one. Resale value? Well with laptops everyone I've had by the time I was finished with it the resale was so low that I gave them away. I've sold dozens of computers but I've never sold a laptop.

  5. Re:Check with Law Schools by Kulaid982 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Penn State Dickinson School of Law doesn't require laptops. When we take finals, we either write 'em by hand, or log on using a special testtaking username and password to Windows desktops that only let us use Word and save the .docs to a special network folder which is backed up in case someone can't print off a hardcopy, which is the actual thing graded by the prof... For those students that do have laptops, the SSID is broadcast as "pennstate" but we have to use a VPN client to authenticate in order to have internet access... As if I'm not far enough off topic already, anyone got a recommendation for Linux VPN clients??? OpenSuSE 10 detected my Ralink RT2500 wifi card, and I can connect to wifi access points, even ones that are WEP encrypted, but I need to use a VPN client to connect at school. What's simple and easy? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

    whatever, I'm drunk and offtopic anyway, fuck you, flame me, I'm moving to digg

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  6. Re:The most important question is ... by Belseth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Absolutely. Same holds true on cars. To aford equipment I've often drove junk cars. None of them were stolen. Over the years I had two sports cars and both were stolen and trashed by the thieves. I drive a decent car now but it's alarmed and clubbed to within an inch of it's life. If I go into a 7/11 for 60 seconds I club it. Like I say all you can do is make them go to the next guy who's less well protected. Notebooks at times are expensive enough to warrant a tracking device. Since they have internal power already the device wouldn't have to be that large. Just needs to send GPS information. Seems like a good add-on feature to pro notebooks.

  7. Re:Another Question by damsa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you plan on taking notes in class, I recommend getting the smallest laptop you can afford and then getting a Monitor and keyboard for your use in your room. The 12in iBook is a good value, but depending on your school, you might want to check if getting a Windows compatible machine is worthwhile.

  8. Re:The Club is worthless by Shano · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While the thief may have a laugh that the owner thinks it's worth stealing, is it worth his effort to steal it?

    Especially when the car next to it has no club, and no alarm. The whole point of these security measures is to make some other target more attractive. If someone really wants to steal your car, as opposed to just any car, they will.

    Security measures can't prevent theft, they can only make it more likely, and any lock is better than none for that.

  9. Re:The most important question is ... by gunnk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1000?

    UNC-Chapel Hill has over 27,000 students and began requiring laptops starting with the incoming class in 2000. It all works through the Carolina Computing Initiative: http://www.unc.edu/cci/ We even have IBM/Lenovo repair service right here on campus and 4-year warranties on the laptops. A Microsoft site license and IBM ImageUltra helps them maintain system images and covers software licenses.

    I'm a OS X fan (Linux for servers), but I have to admit that UNC did a great job on making this work.

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