UK Government Wins Villain of the Year

Anonymous Cowpat writes "The BBC is reporting that the UK Government, or rather their six month presidency of the EU, has been awarded the Internet Villain of the Year award by the Internet Service Providers Association for being the driving force behind the new EU data retention laws. These require that ISPs and other telecomms providers keep records of the time\date & recipient of every communication made by their subscribers."

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UK's not the only one

[Meneth]

Sweden's Minister of "Justice" has also been pushing for the retention laws.

We dont win much,so I will claim this....

[Don_dumb]

We're number one, we're number one, we're number one

The Customer Wins!

[Saxerman]

"At the end of the day ISPs are not law enforcement agencies so they should not have to pay for it all," [a spokesman for the Internet Service Providers' Association ] said.

And, of course, they won't need to as they'll merely pass the savings (sic) to their customers. While politicians might be willing to merely call this the 'cost of doing business in the age of terrorism' I call it yet another stab into the heart of freedom and liberty.

Re:Tor?

[ZiakII]

Wouldn't using something like Tor make all logs worthless?

On a side note.... don't install this on a military computer just to check your yahoo mail.... it will get the computer taken and sent to Quantico, VA after it makes a connection in Brazil.....opps........and they will then discover that you managed to reset the xadministrator password (stupid NMCI)

Re:Tor?

[Jon Luckey]

Tor can be pretty scarey, but I'm not sure he would make logs worthless.

Retaining Logs - Pah

[LazySlacker]

thats the least of it.

• id cards
• extradition for crimes commited on our soil
• extradition with out reciprocal agreements
• Gitmo, an 'Anomaly'
• an attempt at almost indefinate detention without trial
• security services (or anyone) not allowed to link recent attacks here to a certain invasion

It would appear that if you want to get legislation past PM Blair - just add a terorist threat - or say your name is Bush (guess who with have the extradition agreement with with).
I'm not even starting to list domestic issues (well I guess id card is domestic) and will completely skip Iraq itself.

Re:Who's to blame for all this?

[WillAffleckUW]

Muslim extremists.

Strange, I thought most members of the House of Commons and House of Lords weren't Muslim.

Good thing I'm a Jedi, then. Like most brits.

On behalf of the Minister of Intimidation

[WillAffleckUW]

I'd like to accept this award most humbly.

Some have said "You can fool some of the people all of the time."

Luckily for us, it turns out all you have to do is just go up to a queue of people, put on a stern face, say "Terrorist", and they'll all happily give away all the rights that people died to gain in just a quick nip of time.

Now, on behalf of us and our ally Oceania, I'd like to thank you all, and ask you please show your papers and salute with stiff arms as we play our national anthem, "Brittania, Brittania, Uber Alles!"

Thank you.

Myopia

[lheal]

Perhaps a little review is in order:

1. China seeks not allow its citizens even to know what privacy means, and puts journalists in jail for using the web to speak out.
2. Something over 90% of the email I get is falsely titled advertising from people I've never met and will never meet trying to sell me products I don't want. And so:
3. The communications companies want to double-bill for bandwidth.
4. There is an active market for system exploits, bot armies, and malware-driven popup ads.
5. The U.S. wants to keep DNS root server rights to itself. This is not such a big deal to me, but other people got worked up over it.

With all of that, the EU wanting to make sure data is kept, not forever, but just long enough for most normal criminal investigations to take place doesn't bother me much. If they did other stuff with it, that would be a problem, but just making sure it's there seems prudent.

When will the English take back their country?

[deacon]

Really, when will enough be enough? Or are there so many state "workers" voting to keep things as they are that you have no escape?

First they took your guns, and you sat in the pub and said it was for the good of the people.

Then they effectively took away your right to self-defense (they took away the means in step one), and you locked yourself in your bathrooms when the burglars break into your occupied house.

Then, they sent letter to the shopkeepers telling them not to bother reporting thefts of less than 75 pounds and not to detain thieves.

Linky:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006060516,00 .html

You have cameras installed in every orfice, officious busybodies poking noses into your every affair.

Your medical system is refusing treatment to patients who are over weight (gasp) or smoke (the horror) in order to save money. An un-assimilated population of immigrants is holding up signs saying "wait for the real holocaust"

What will it take to push you over the edge, the banning of cricket?

Wake up, it is already too late, and you better get cracking on fixing things.

Re:When will the English take back their country?

[_the_bascule]

Using the sun news paper as a reference to your post is quite possibly the worst example of close mindedness or ill thought out opinion posting I have ever seen.

The sun news paper rates up there with fox news (as I understand fox news to be) in the US. Fear and Anger. Fear and Anger. Fear And Anger.

Re:When will the English take back their country?

[Pantero Blanco]

The medical care part of your post made sense. This part didn't:

"'First they took your guns'
Most of us didn't have/didn't need them."

Your argument for why it doesn't matter that your Government took your guns is that you didn't need them at the time and most people didn't have them? Do you think they're just going to give them back to you when you DO need them? Even the tired old "they're too dangerous for the common man to use" argument makes more sense than that.

And why does how many people have or don't have something matter when the Government is trying to ban it? Most people 15-20 years ago didn't have cell phones; does that mean it shouldn't have mattered if the Government had banned them from private use? Plenty of people fifteen years ago would have liked to regulate the purchase of computers and bandwidth, you know (some still would).

Re:When will the English take back their country?

[Martz]

Being a UK citizen - and once being happy we got rid of the Conservative goverment with a Labour victory, I've become very annoyed and angry at the situation. I've written numerous letters to my MP, who has made plenty of promises and shown to be good at writting replies to me - perhaps nothing more. It does require a huge amount of effort from an individual to change things, and this combined effort can make a difference.

I was reminded of it tonight watching a satirical comedy current affairs show, when the last demonstration/protests which actually influenced the Goverment into changing a decision - was for lowering the homosexual age of content. [The gag of the story was that it wasn't 16 year olds males demonstrating, rather it was millions of 40+ single men with leather trousers and pierced ears]. Millions of people marched, the goverment listened - and the law was changed. Democracy worked?

The lastest demonstrations were at the G8 summit, whereby the day after the London underground/bus bombings took place - whilst all of the countries security was focused in Gleneagles. Before *that*, up to a million people demonstrated in London against the invasion of Iraq. So many many people were on the streets, a huge turn out which took an enormous amount of effort for people to make - people traveled several hundred miles to be there, which is a mean feat in itself in the UK anyway).

If the goverment won't listen to a few hundred thousand people (minimum, 1 million max) who peacefully demonstrate, execute their primary right to disagree with the goverment decision as strongly as possible - what can be done? How many people does it take to reverse a decision, or to even get a referendum on it?

The control and balance does need to be taken back, but people have too much to lose these days. They aren't directly interested in anything which isn't going to effect their bank balance or routine. Back in the day perhaps, the average family might have a lot less, be more hardup and actually demonstrating and protesting publicaly and peacefuly wouldn't be much more effort than their general hardships. Now-a-days (pipe in mouth, slippers on and reminiscing about the war..) we have it too easy that we order pizza thats cooked less than a mile away, delivered by scooter, and posted through our letterboxes. We are lazy, and we do not care/

What chances do we have while we have it so easy, such an appeased population. :(

I disagree with the examples in your post, but you are actually pointing in the right direction I think. As long as you make a noise, even if it isn't for the right reasons - just at the moment.

Ok you win..

[packetmill]

This round anyway. We Americans must admit our defeat, but we'll get you twats next year when we convince google to hand over those logs.