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Spam King Busted by Secret Service

An anonymous reader writes "Adam Vitale, aka Batch1 aka Baxter, 25, of Boynton Beach, FL, and his partner Todd Moeller, aka M3rk, of New Jersey, are accused of sending nearly 50,000 pieces of spam e-mail to more than 1.2 million AOL subscribers. US Secret Service agents used a confidential informant to hire Moeller and Vitale to deliver spam, which advertised a computer security product."

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  1. Mugshot by XorNand · · Score: 4, Informative

    The poor (rich?) sap's booking photo, complete with ::gulp:: his address. Too bad spammers aren't required to disclose their email address on arrest.

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  2. Oohhhh! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It must have really felt good for the agents to hear the sound of a spammer squealing!!!

    It is about time that the authorities are starting to take a harder look at those thieves of computer ressources. I'm not only talking about the criminal botnet operators, but the "mainsleaze" spam senders.

    But the true way of fighting spam is not nuking spammers per se, but rather nuking ISPs who cater to spammers, in any way, be it domain registrations, DNS service and plain web-hosting, both legit and botnets. This will make them think twice in not having a good, hard look at their abuses@* mailboxen.

    1. Re:Oohhhh! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Insightful
      So, let us say I am a spammer. And I pay an ISP company to host my mail, etc. And then I pay another company for DNS. Then I start mass-mailing - how is the ISP supposed to know I am doing illegal spam? How do they know my lists are not legitimate spam lists? They really can't. You hit the spammers - they are the only ones who know for sure if what they are doing is legal or not legal.
      The ISP knows because he is getting zillions of spam complaints by people you are sending your shit to.

      There is no such thing as a legitimate "spam list". Spam lists are **ALWAYS** full of unwitting recipients. Legitimate mailing-lists, on the other hand, only have addresses of people who have specifically requested to be included in **YOUR** (and YOURS alone - there is no such thing as a "legitimate" purchased list, because the people there HAVE NOT requested to be on it) mailing list.

      They know that your lists are legitimate mailing lists because every single person on them have requested to be on them, and for the eventual complaint that seeps through, you can PROVE that the person has requested to be on it, because you have DUTIFULLY kept the actual request ON FILE.

  3. Services rendered by slashnutt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    US Secret Service agents used a confidential informant to hire Moeller

    I guess it is good that the Secret Service doesn't have to worry about entrapment rules. It's great to hear that spam is getting wiped out but at what cost - the government is now hiring people to do things that will get them dragged into court? Maybe if everyone (including you, everyone you know and the government) stopped hiring/buying the service then maybe I might receive a little less spam and that is the only way it will really cease being a problem.

    1. Re:Services rendered by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Nobody could pressure me into doing something like mass piracy (...err.. copyright violations) or spamming or theft without threat of harm or violence. Heck, I have a chance to not file some money I made as a "sole prop." in Canada last year. I could save $4,000 if I did that. My friends even suggest it wouldn't be noticed. I'm just not stupid enough to do that. I pay the 4K I should pay anyways and I don't run the risk of being caught, convicted and then seriously hampered (e.g. international travel). I guess I'm that sort of rare "honest" breed.

      Absolutely irrelevant. You seem to be fixated on morality of the individuals caught by entrapment, instead of looking at the macroscopic societal effects of the actions of law enforcement.

      So if you're likely to comit a crime for personal gain at the suggestion of someone else you're probably not a moral person and likely to do it anyways.

      Again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue. The issue is police creating crime for their own convenience.

      But the point really is you're responsible for your own actions. Unless the person threatens you (or others) with violence you have no reason to follow through other than you're corrupt.

      I, personally, have nothing whatsoever to do with any of this. The discussion was about the societal effects of allowing police to perform entrapment. I find your presumption of my predisposition to crime, and your defensiveness about "being a moral person" (complete with chest-beating examples) to be rather curious. You doth protest too much, methinks.

      Reasons entrapment should be illegal

      The main reason it is illegal is because it allows police to manufacture their own criminals just so that they can "catch" them for a spiffy press release. It impairs the main function of the police, that is to bring justice to citizens being victims of real crooks.

  4. Re:Secret Service? by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check here to see all the duties of the Secret Service....among them, you will find:

    • Investigating credit and debit card fraud, computer fraud, and electronic fund transfer fraud
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  5. Good riddance to bad rubbish by drdewm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unfortunately another will just take their place. We need technology to stop Spam. Human nature being what it is will continue where ever there is a buck to be made.

  6. SS investigates fraud by slackaddict · · Score: 2, Informative
    ... The Secret Service also investigates violations of laws relating to counterfeiting of obligations and securities of the United States; financial crimes that include, but are not limited to, access device fraud, financial institution fraud, identity theft, computer fraud; and computer-based attacks on our nation's financial, banking, and telecommunications infrastructure.

    and also

    Since 1984, our investigative responsibilities have expanded to include crimes that involve financial institution fraud, computer and telecommunications fraud, false identification documents, access device fraud, advance fee fraud, electronic funds transfers, and money laundering as it relates to our core violations.

    These guys are spammers. If they've advertised p3nis enlargement pills, they've committed fraud and, according to the Secret Service they have jurisdiction over this area. Disclaimer: IANAL

    Read for yourself: http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/mission.shtml

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  7. You don't understand what "entrapment" means. by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Entrapment means causing someone to do something they would not normally do in order to get them to break the law. This "service" that the spammers were offering was their daily business. It was their regular mode of operation. All the Secret Service did was send an informant in undercover to pose as a customer. Thus there was no entrapment, this is basic policework.

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  8. I'm smiling as I picture: by Hosiah · · Score: 3, Funny

    our new hero in a jail cell with a bunch of cell mates who have all enlarged their penis, ordered Viagra, and are looking for a new relationship.

  9. How to send 50k messages to 1.2M people: by aclidiere · · Score: 2, Informative


    For the sake of the demonstration, I'll pick smaller numbers. Send 2 messages to 5 persons, A, B, C, D, E.

    1) Send message #1 to A, B, C.
    2) Send message #2 to C, D, E.

    It is not said that all 1.5M people received each of the 50k messages.

    In spam emails, the From: and To: fields are often erroneous. In that case, the actual recipients are in the Bcc field. So, several people receive a same message that seems addressed to only one.

    Other comment:
    50k distinct emails to a total of 1.5M people

  10. All depends on how it went down by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the spammers offered a service, asked for money for it, and the SS then gave it to them, there's no entrapment. In fact, they'd need to complete the transaction to prove something illegal was going on. It's not illegal to talk about selling drugs, or spamming or whatever, it's illegal to actually sell those things. If you've ever watched one of those undercover cop shows, you'll notice they always actually make a buy before arresting a suspect. Otherwise, nothing illegal has happened.

    You'll also notice they are careful to let the dealer make the offer. Again another part of making sure it's not entrapment. If they offer it to you, it's obviously something they'd normally do. You didn't entice them, since they came out and offered. So if the spammers offered a service, and then said they'd need a few grand for equipment and such, it's not entrapment. If the SS asked them to spam, they said they weren't setup for it, and the SS said they'd give them what they need, that's entrapment.

    Generally, they are very careful about these things.

  11. Re:Cell Location:M-S-08-B-22U-B by Mercano · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope, for his sake, his cellmate hasn't been taking some of the other pills this guy was selling. On second thought, I hope he has.

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  12. Re:Not always. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Informative
    Even used MSDN-AA? It and many other services want an email address to sign up, and then will start with the box "Send me a buncha stuff in email" checked, which is pretty abhorrent.
    Caveat emptor. This is what disposable e-mails are for...

    Google is perfect, because the addresses are "plussed", so you can add a special code ("pig.hogger+bullshit@gmail.com") to tag where you give your e-mail to, and if you see different junk coming in, you know very well who's the sleazy fucker who sold your e-mail. At that time, you can filter out the "+bullshit" emails...

  13. Re:Illegal? by AJWM · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's trespass on the bot computers. As soon as they're used to send email claiming to be from elsewhere, that's fraud. Stealing a checkbook is simple theft, writing checks with it is fraud.

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