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Open Season On Open Source?

conq writes "BusinessWeek has a piece looking at the possible future of open source. The article's conclusion is that it might be grim. From the piece: 'Software giant Oracle Corp. has acquired two small open-source companies and is in negotiations to buy at least one more. Many experts believe this is the beginning of a broader trend in which established tech companies scoop up promising open-source startups. While the validation is thrilling it's also unsettling. Many young idealists who set out to create an alternative to the tech Establishment now find themselves becoming part of it.'"

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  1. Why is this Unsettling by Directrix1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The young idealists who let themselves be bought are the only ones affected. Everybody else can still fork if they have any kind of major problem. This is a non-issue.

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    1. Re:Why is this Unsettling by replicant108 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Clearly it is possible to slow the development of (some) free software projects by spending significant sums of money.

      However, given that it is almost impossible to kill a free software project, the long-term economic viability of such a strategy is dubious.

      Also, it is worth pointing out that such activity might raise anti-competetitive issues.

    2. Re:Why is this Unsettling by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Xorg is the best example.

      No, Xfree86 wasn't bought out, but the community decided a fork was needed, and I think this one went pretty well.

      If a large or critical package was "bought up", it would likely take about 5 minutes for the developers who didn't get to cash in to create the fork. Probably 95% of the actual developers for the project would join because they weren't the ones to cash in.

      If a company that makes a small insignificant program was bought out.....oh yea, that doesn't happen. Only the big programs get this kind of attention.

      Disruption isn't really as big a deal as you might think. If Mysql, squirrelmail, php, perl, apache or any other significant program in the open source community was suddenly "bought out", the brief period of time that it was updated more slowly than usual would be meaningless.

      They are already stable packages, which is why they are large, which is why other companies would want to buy the company out. There would be more than enough existing developers for "emergency fixes" in the 95% that were left out in the rain and have started the new fork. And yes, the community would rally behind the new effort, as has been shown time and time again.

      Again, Xorg is the best example of what happens with a "disruption". ZERO pain to the end user (yum updated just fine), and generally, fresh ideas and a better product in the long run.

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  2. So to summarize the situation ..... by nblender · · Score: 4, Interesting
    So first you write some 'bitchin' code, license it so anyone can use it, even in a commercial product. Then when it gets popular, you decide to make some money off of it by offering consulting services. Then you become successful so someone bit wants to buy you.

    Now you're complaining? Millions of poets, the world over, would kill prose for such an opportunity.

  3. Re:My experience with Linux by alanw · · Score: 4, Informative
  4. Unsettling to who? by Some+Random+Username · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The whole thing is just "blah blah, we don't understand open source and refuse to learn". The only thing unsettling is that "journalists" are too stupid to read.

  5. Not So Bad by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Bruce Peren is absolutely right. The community is not for sale. The code is already open source so we'll never have to start from scratch. While some of us worship or at least highly value people like Linus Torvald, but OSS is based on the idea that there are many other people like him. Otherwise there's no point in letting everyone contribute. If Linus gets run over by a bus tomorrow, Linux will still live. So Oracle can buy up the companies but if they go against OSS, I doubt they will succeed. We'll just pick it up again and keep going. I think Elison knows this:

    "We are moving aggressively into open source," said Chief Executive Lawrence J. Ellison at a Feb. 8 investor conference. "We are not going to fight this trend."

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  6. Self-delusion by ewe2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They don't know what they're buying. They think if they buy an open-source company they're getting "open-source". They don't get a free community unless they understand it. They dont get the product they think they're getting. Software companies have been trying to make their customers be unpaid beta testers for years and frequently they think this is a cheaper shortcut to that end. They waste the community's effort. This isn't just the case with FOSS, it's generally the case with most company acquisitions, it's just more obviously idiotic with FOSS.

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  7. Re:Making money from open source by Trelane · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Folks on slashdot are always talking about how it's possible to make money on free/open source software, and that F/OSS is the wave of the future. Well, if you *really* believe this, why are you shocked that large companies agree with you? Or that people who start open source projects agree with you?
    You are apparently assuming that the set of "those who agree that companies buying up FOSS companies is worrisome" overlaps largely with the set of "those who think that FOSS can be profitibile." I think that this assumption is incorrect.

    More to the point, just because BusinessWeek is worried that small FOSS companies being bought by large companies is worrisome does not imply that the FOSS community thinks so. This statement seems to be supported by postings to the article thus far.

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  8. Hold on a minute here... by argoff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let me get this straight, people are spending big money to buy up open source companies left and right and because of that we should be concerned about the future of open source?????

    How about an alternative view ..... once people figure out that they can make companies that are pratically guaranteed to get bought out at over valued prices or become profitable open-source ventures if they dont. And even better, chances are that 90% of the of the software they start their base off of is likely already developed. I wouldn't be supprised to see a nuclear explosion in the open source software industry bigger than the dot.com and the PC boom and the integtrated circuit boom combined.

  9. Stereotype much? by TallMatthew · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From TFA:

    For decades, the only people who cared about open source were the geeks who stayed up for all hours swilling Jolt Cola and writing code.

    I'm sure he means that in a good way. Suits can't stand open source. It makes no sense to them that innovation is driven by creativity and passion, not hierarchy and the bottom line.

  10. Make a name for yourself... by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lets be realistic for a second- with the exception of some big projects (kernel, KDE, GNU-sponsored projects) and corporate projects (such as Inter7's vpopmail funded by its own customers, or uw-imap being funded by a university), most of the smaller or lesser-known open source developers are doing something that they enjoy and gaining experience. They're adding a line on the resume, and fulfilling a need which they have (I need a program that does ____) or that someone they know has.

    Given that, this is experience. It's a way to make a name for yourself, perfect your skills, and give back to the community. That doesn't mean these people are against closed source, but they feel that their product will get more exposure if it's open and freely available.

    Most developers aren't in the "it has to be OSS" mentaility, but rather in the "this project could be bigger if more people contributed", and of course that project is their baby- their time, their effort.

    Again not to say that this is all of the cases, but without direct benefits, there's always something- be it credit, fame, or experience.

    Now some bigger projects doing it is what this article is speaking of, but the general statement on open source is bogus! Open source simply says "this could be of value to someone else, and admitedly, they could probably reproduce it anyway by starting from scratch".

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  11. Businessweek never gets it by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful
    But they make good headlines and that is reporting is all about these days.

    You can't buy opensource. Once it is out there, it is out there. If it is true opensource the code doesn't even belong to a single entity that can be bought. If you contribute some code no matter how small to a opensource project even though you do it under the GPL it still belongs to you. In fact that is what the GPL is pretty much about. You just give everyone else the right to use it (within certain limits) as they wish.

    Yes you can hire the developers away from a project in the hope of killing it but why would this be a worry to opensource alone? EVERY project, commercial, political, social can be killed by its enemies by luring the people involved away. It can be very upsetting, just ask Ballmer.

    It is nothing new. In fact several opensource people even started working for the beast. The gentoo guy for one. Except he left again pretty quickly.

    And that I think is the reason opensource in fact has less to worry about then commercial projects about being bled of its developers. It is a huge difference to work on your own time for a volunteer project and to have to work for your salery on markettings whims.

    Most of the bigger opensource projects are done for free by people who wouldn't have any trouble at all doing the same thing for money. In fact most do. There is one thing business week doesn't get about developers. They love it!

    A developer will happily work all week coding to support himself to code in weekend as well. People like that can be tempted with money but not for long. When someone is willing to work for free they obviously think that a salery is only there to pay the bills.

    But of course, it makes a nice headline because a handfull of companies with opensource projects are being attempted to be bought up (mysql refused didn't it?). Opensource is about as death as socialism. Just check you paycheck how much of your salery goes to social security.

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  12. The problem with software... by Zarf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is that it is speech. But it is speech unlike any speech that has ever been before. Never before has there been speech that one could speak into a machine and alter the reality of that machine. It is far more powerful than shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater (that being an example of reasonably restricted speech) with the advent of the modern internet it seems silly to think that you can keep this powerful speech in a bottle and sell it. In many ways it is a bit like trying to put the genie back in the bottle...

    Yet that's just what commerical software is all about. Bottling speech and selling it in crates. And there isn't anything wrong with that. That's what commerce is all about. Yet, things eventually become commodities and you lose that limited monopoly after a while. Just as light-bulbs are made by many companies now and some people would pause before buying a lamp that required a special light bulb.

    Interestingly people buy lamps that require special bulbs... some times even bulbs that are patented and only made by one company. Some of these lamps provide brighter full-spectrum light, some provide a more pleasant shade of light. And other people find having a violet tinge in their light simply not worthy of the extra expense... and they buy lamps that take standard light bulbs.

    I firmly believe that this will happen with software. And if you read the article you can garner the same points. Oracle buying OSS startups or Microsoft hiring off Distribution maintainers only causes a delay in the development of the inevitable. That delay is not without its profit margin. And the act of slowing the adoption of the OSS mind-set in the general public may be a necessary evil to allow humanity to adjust to this new powerful force on the face of the planet.

    OpenSource empowers outsourcing in India and China as much as it empowers rural US and small European Universities. In time the natural market forces will shift finding a new balance in the world. Wages in India and China will equalize with those in the US. However, the rate of this shift can be controlled... I'm not sure if it is better to slow down or speed up this shift... but I know that those who are successful in today's world have an incentive to keep the world the same. Oracle and Microsoft for example did well in a world of bottled genies and they want that key to their success to stay the same. It is only natural.

    OpenSource on the Internet means that someone who couldn't afford to do a thing before can now do that thing (see Nagios from the article) and leverage the talent of all the other people in the world who could not climb over that initial barrier to entry. OpenSource on the Internet means that the Software playing field is flatter. If you can get an OSS person to help you and you can afford their salary... you can do nearly the same thing as the really big companies. If the rest of your business runs well, technology need not be the biggest of your concerns.

    Companies like Microsoft and Oracle have built their very lives on technology being a big concern. And all that cash they have means that they can sway the direction of technology onto paths that benefit themselves. Eventually, however, just as relationships with the light bulb maker doesn't drive the central concerns of most businesses today, neither will software in a hundred years.

    In one hundred years what will matter is that this was a time of innovation that generated technology that changed the course of history. Just as pop. culture is confused about how much Edison really did to invent the light bulb and electrical grid they will also very likely decide that Bill Gates was the inventor of the Personal Computer and the Internet. With a little luck they will find it silly that we used to buy software in boxes. With even more luck they will find it a silly idea to pay for software at all and instead will have established a concept of "commissioning software" to be created by those talented in the "craft" an

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