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Neighborhood WiFi Security

picaro writes to tell us the New York Times has an interesting piece about the abundance of open wireless connections available due to the lack of the average user's knowledge. The article also takes a look at how the prevalent attitude is that tapping in to these connections does not equate to stealing and why still other may disagree. From the article: "Piggybacking, the usually unauthorized tapping into someone else's wireless Internet connection, is no longer the exclusive domain of pilfering computer geeks or shady hackers cruising for unguarded networks. Ordinarily upstanding people are tapping in. As they do, new sets of Internet behaviors are creeping into America's popular culture."

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  1. RTFM by xgadflyx · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Some users say they have protected their computers but have decided to keep their networks open as a passive protest of what they consider the exorbitant cost of Internet access.
    That would be the category I fall under. I think everyone should follow the sharing principle, lock your box, and open the AP. No matter what deviant may come around and use your access, you can always prove it wasn't you. Now it may be a hassle and even cost a bit of cash..., which we all know sucks, but I've been sharing my wifi for nearly 3 years now and have had no problems. Plus, I've always appreciated the neighborhood open-ness eg. when cable modem users go down and the DSL subscribers are still kicking it, just hop right over and keep on keeping on.
    "I'm sticking it to the man," said Elaine Ball, an Internet subscriber who lives in Chicago.
    "Whoa sweetheart, slow down. We're just talking about sharing internet connections, nothing more" -me, an internet subscriber who lives in Columbus First post?
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    1. Re:RTFM by jonv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with securing your machines and opening the AP is that certain ISP services (mainly SMTP servers for outgoing mail) don't require any authentication as the ISP assumes that who ever has physical access to the connection is the authorized user. Someone 'sharing' the connection could be using it to borrow the ISP SMTP server for sending out spam or other unwelcome email.
      Of course this can be resolved by putting the access point on the right side of well configured firewall, just pointing out there is more to consider than just securing your machine.

    2. Re:RTFM by Steinfiend · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm sure I'm supposed to be more public spirited than this, but I can't really bring myself to open up my WiFi to other people. I don't think its the money aspect really, 40 bucks a month isn't so much as it would break me. However, I need my Internet connection to be available when I need to use it. I work from home quite regularly and have to either SSH or RDP into work, or sometimes even the reverse, SSH back home from work. If some wonderful neighbor of mine has picked that exact moment to download the latest IT Crowd episode (great show by the way!), then my ability to do the job for which I am paid would suffer.

      If I could be sure everyone would only use it for browsing, email, IM and the odd bit of downloading then I'd be for it, other than that, I would rather not risk it.

      As for being able to prove it wasn't you, should someone hop on and do some dastardly deed, I'd be interested to know how. Has anyone tested that theory? I'd hate to be the first person to go to court, try and prove it wasn't me, and find out the court wasn't having any of it!

    3. Re:RTFM by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Traffic shaping will do the trick just fine.

      Have two HTB branches: one for yourself, one for good-neighbour sharing. You can set it up so the latter will be starved or almost-starved whenever you need the bandwidth. And then you can fine-tune the branches to care about TOS, etc.

      Besides, traffic shaping is mandatory anyway if you want to even think about using ssh while you're downloading something.

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  2. Take a bike, leave a bike by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some cities have implemented systems where you can borrow one of the public bicycles that are painted with an ugly colorscheme and use it to go where you need to go. Someone can then, in turn, borrow that bike from you after you've parked it. It's an interesting system because the bikes are just community property and everyone has the right to ride them.

    1. Re:Take a bike, leave a bike by grimJester · · Score: 3, Informative

      It works fine in Helsinki, Finland. The bikes are just bad enough that no one would seriously consider stealing one, but they still beat walking.

      It didn't work out in Turku, Finland. They all eventually ended up in the river.

  3. New occurences in American culture... by necro2607 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ordinarily upstanding people are tapping in. As they do, new sets of Internet behaviors are creeping into America's popular culture.

    Yeah, like computer users getting sued by the RIAA when they have never used any P2P software on their machine, for example...

  4. I have WiFi access! by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My neighbour bought an access point!

    Old joke, I know. But so true. And why? Because without fault, ALL APs are configured to accept any and all connections by default. And why? Because otherwise, clueless people would swarm the manufacturer's call center asking how to connect.

    When it's configured in nymphomaniac mode (i.e. do it with everyone you can get), people can connect, they're happy and won't even bother thinking about securing their 'net. At least until the feds knock at their door, asking a few dumb questions about movies and pron.

    But that's no problem either, because in our legislative, being clueless on the net is appearantly an excuse for committing any crime. You participated in a DDoS because your computer contains more malware than other programs? No worries, you didn't know, you're not to blame. Your connection was used to run an illegal server? No worries, it wasn't your fault, your computer was abused as a server.

    Usually not knowing it's a crime is no get outta jail card. When it comes to the 'net, it is. Maybe 'cause legislators and judges are predominantly clueless in respect to the net as well.

    Hey, self interest!

    But as long as it's an excuse to shrug your shoulders and claim you didn't know what you're doing, people won't get wiser.

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    1. Re:I have WiFi access! by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Usually not knowing it's a crime is no get outta jail card.

      Usually not knowing that what you are doing is not a crime is no defence, true. Generally though, not knowing that you're not doing something is, unless the prosecution can prove negligence.

      Until and unless there's a crime of failing to take reasonable steps to secure a PC or similar, people are going to "get away" with it.

      Note that if you claim that it wasn't you, it was someone else using your connection without your knowledge, but the prosecution can demonstrate that actually it most likely was you and that you left your connection unsecured in order to provide yourself with that excuse, you'll likely not be believed.

    2. Re:I have WiFi access! by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In other words, everyone except IT-techs have a carte blanche? Because you can't expect the ordinary user to know or even have a firewall, virus utilities or packet filters?

      And is it not negligence when I see my computer slow to a crawl (because it's filled with trojans that hook every single API in the system) and ignore it? Is it not negligence when I see sexpages pop up even if I surf towards Disney (because my machine is filled with adware bombers)? Is it not negligence when my connection is noticably slowing to a crawl (when my computer is spewing out torrents of spam)?

      When I leave my door unlocked (just closed, but unlocked), I'm considered negligent when someone breaks into my house and steals my possessions, my insurance will brush it off and I'll sit here alone in my empty home. Worse, when I leave my car keys in the car and someone steals it, committing a crime in the process far worse than stealing my car (like, say, withdraw some money from the local bank using his iron mastercard...), I'm probably guilty of aiding a criminal.

      Why is that different when it comes to computers and computer criminality?

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  5. *gasp* by scenestar · · Score: 5, Funny

    As they do, new sets of Internet behaviors are creeping into America's popular culture.

    you mean "SHARING" something?

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  6. Semi-related story by necro2607 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a semi-related story... I was at a friend's place last week and I wanted to transfer to him some audio-recordings of my band's recent practice. I asked him, "Do you have a wireless network or anything set up here?" ... He said how he didn't want to "get into that wireless stuff" because there are apparently so many people who would hack into his wifi network or whatever. That, and there are people who drive around in vans with gear to hijack peoples' wireless networks.

    During the minute or so that he was going on about this stuff, I found about 3 open wireless networks in range. I connected to one of them, logged into MSN Messenger and laughed as he saw a little notification pop up on his PC screen that indicated that I had just come online.

  7. Bandwidth-based pricing would stop this, and other by putko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you had to pay for bandwidth based on how much you used, people wouldn't do share. Also, telco companies wouldn't be floating the concept of charging more for various services (e.g. VOIP, or VOD).

    Does anyone know why it is that companies don't just charge for bandwidth, the way they do with a colo? Is it really so complicated?

    That would be nice to for mom-and-pop -- they wouldn't have big fixed-fees due to heavy users like myself.

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  8. I love open wifi.. by brxndxn · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was sitting at a McDonald's with my laptop during a road trip. There were two wifi networks available. One was titled 'McDonald's' and the other was titled 'BetterThanMcDonald's.' I used the latter. I love when people do that..

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  9. Trajedy of the Commons by Bad+to+the+Ben · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've often thought about openning my AP, but I just know that after a week or two some jerk is going to use my DSL connection as his own personal torrent link. If I was using someone's DSL connection I'd limit myself to just normal browsing and light email. Those morons ruin it for everyone else.

    With regard to securing access points, I've thought of a better way of setting things up properly (someone may already have thought of it). You plug your computer in to the AP for the first time via an Ethernet cable. You go into the settings, and click an option to setup the AP. The AP creates a secure WPA key using random characters. It then spits out a small script for you to download. You execute the script as Administrator or root, and it automatically configures your OS for the AP, with the right key and everything. After this you can use the AP wirelessly.

    There would be some problems though, mostly checking the OS type and having to write scripts for Windows, OS X and Linux. But I reckon it could be done.

    1. Re:Trajedy of the Commons by steve_l · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are right, the only person who should bring the network to is knees is me.I do this by configuring my router so the bittorrent ports go to my machine, and not to any of those evil piggybackers.

      I actually run an open network for a number of reasons
        -I cant be bothered to set up access for overnight guests and other visitors
        -I explicitly allow a neighbour to share
        -I dont think classic WEP, that some of my hardware is, is at all secure.
        -Knowing the net is open forces me to lock down the boxes better. All firewalled, no SMB connectivity (SSH/SCP to the server only).

      And finally: I like it when I get free networks when I travel, and want to share the joy. Saturday: father in law's house, public network "linksys". Last summer -stuck at my mother's house for a few days. Public network from a neighbour. I dont care whether these people did it on purpose or through ignorance, I benefit, and their cost is minimal.

      I believe that you can get firmware for the linksys WRT54G boxes that let you throttle guests...

      -steve

  10. Bizarre attitudes by caffeination · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I got into this article without signing up yesterday. Can't today, so I'm quoting from memory.
    ...I thought "Oh my God! People could be using my connection too!".
    Six months later, however, $Person still hasn't secured her wireless network.
    My parents were the same. I took my laptop into the garden, showed them that I could get onto their connection from at least 50m from the house, then I connected to the neighbours' connections and changed their essids to demonstrate how easy such things are. Then I opened ethereal and demonstrated to them how easy it was to read peoples' internet traffic.

    All I got was "That shouldn't be allowed".

    Under my own initiative, I then put a fairly long encryption key on their network and password protected the router config. I know it's weak security, but it's better than none at all.

    That is how much people care about security. I explained to my uncle the other day about how spyware can log your key presses and report them back to a server. He was shocked and outraged, for about 1 second. Once his computer was clean enough to be usable, he was satisfied (this is a home & business computer, used for EBAY).

    Nobody gives a shit about anything to do with computers. It seems that the current parent generation was lead to believe that technology would make life easier and do all the work for them, when the reality is that it's actually replaced much of the work. God knows what long term effects this will have on computing.

  11. Wardriving not for the 'geek' anymore by brohan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This article reminds me of what happened to me last weekend.

    I was on my way to Toronto, stopped in a Tim Horton's, and because I was working on something rather important and there was a heavy wind/snowstorm going on I whipped out my laptop. I couple sitting at the table over from me wanted to check their email, but was unsure of how I was getting internet. I explained that I was getting internet from some generous local person, they tried to get wireless working, though their laptop's card wasn't powerful enough. So I gave them Netstumbeler and taught them how to use it. I'll bet they're going to be wardriving alot more now ;P

    The thing was, these guys had an open mind about security, they didn't mind trotting into other people's wireless network any more than I did. It is because of the generosity of the people who left the access points open.

    I leave mine open on a another network, just on principle. I limit the bandwidth to un-filtered addresses, just due to the generosity I've received in connecting to others.

  12. Bandwidth shaping with Linux by necro2607 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, it is 100% possible for you to set up traffic bandwidth shaping so that any particular IP is only allowed a certain amount of bandwidth, for example.

    Use a UNIX-like machine as a router/firewall for your network, and you suddenly have amazingly detailed networking possibilities within your reach. I strongly suggest reading the Linux Network Administrator's Guide. Even though it's getting a little outdated it has some downright cool-ass information within.

    Of course, few users are technically adept enough to actually set up a router like this, but I'm sure it has been used a lot for people who want to keep their wifi access "open", but safely limited.

    On a related note there are pre-built linux firewall packages out there which will surprisingly easily allow you to do what I was just talking about.

    Also, here is the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO ... It's a bit technical but a useful resource nonetheless.

  13. Re:What does your ISP have to say ? by lga · · Score: 3, Informative

    Many ISPs in the UK now actually give out free wireless routers with a new broadband connection - it is seen as an extra draw for new customers and a marketing advantage to get them to sign up for more expensive packages. And no, most are not encrypted by default.

    BT Broadband give away a wireless modem with their more expensive connections and Wannadoo include a wireless router and claim that it is secure, although I haven't tried it.

  14. Wi-Fi Honeypots? by ROOK*CA · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder when/if we're going to start seeing stories about people setting up open WAP's as honeypots? In other words, set up an open AP, for the sole purpose of comprimising hapless piggybackers that connect to it with relatively unsecured machines -- I think it would be hilarious and a nice little piece of payback for those folks that thinks it's okay to piggyback off resources that someone else if paying for (with a little publicity might make people think twice about piggybacking).

    Of course if you're too clueless (or too lazy) to take any steps to secure your wireless network then you probably shouldn't be complaining when someone else takes it upon themselves to utilize the resources that you've basically left laying around in public, I mean it's akin to putting a wad of money out on the sidewalk in front of your house and expecting it to be there next week.

    Securing your WAP isn't any great task, the OEM's producing these devices for home/small business networks have made it very easy to do, have for the most part documented it well and there are a plethora of resources on-line to supplement the OEM documentation. No excuse not to do it, unless of course you really don't care that any Tom, Dick or Harry can connect to your home LAN and basically do whatever they want with that connection, including poking around on every machine you have connected to it as well utilize your Internet connection for whatever they feel like doing with it.

  15. Open Wireless connections? No way! by MaxPowerDJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have read about other people's posts abot leaving your access point open and sharing the connection. Around here (Puerto Rico), people would just mess your resources up. I have a 1024 Kb down/ 512Kb up cable connection that I distribute among my two computers (one for light e-mail and downloading and another that I connect through the net from work). and I personally took care of security (MAC address filtering + best encryption supported by the AP).

    The things is, people have attempted to get in and disable my equipment. People can and will use the wireless connection to do mischievous things. They get no access from me.

    Open access is fine if you have an agreement with your neighbohrs and/or you have a common wifi provider (many new housing development are now including wifi from the get go). Otherwise, is just asking for trouble.

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  16. Re:What does your ISP have to say ? by richy+freeway · · Score: 3, Informative

    They don't mean that you CAN'T use more than one computer, just that they won't support such a setup. If you ring their tech supp and you're using anything but the standard hardware they sent you (usually a USB modem) they'll refuse to help.

  17. Open Access Points by TPS+Report · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That would be the category I fall under. I think everyone should follow the sharing principle, lock your box, and open the AP. No matter what deviant may come around and use your access, you can always prove it wasn't you. Now it may be a hassle and even cost a bit of cash..., which we all know sucks, but I've been sharing my wifi for nearly 3 years now and have had no problems.


    At first I was thinking - whoa, you're very open minded. Then I realized you wrote wifi instead of wife. I need some coffee.

    I understand what you're saying about the open access, and it's a nice thing to do - but there's no way in hell I'm going to go through the federal investigation process or even chance the possibility of going to prison, for my neighbors kiddie porn habit. Sorry. My life and the potential hassle is worth way more than him saving $39.95 on his cable bill. You're being nice, and that's applaudable, but if anything does happen - you're going to have a tough time proving it was not you.

    You: but I have logs!
    Them: How convenient. The accused has evidence pointing to someone else. Is it unaltered proof?
    You: Of course! These are the raw server logs!
    Them: Logs, from your firewall?
    You: Yes!
    Them: A firewall which you have administrative access to, and can change the logs at will?
    You: Uh, yeah. But I didn't change them.
    Them: So the logs very well could be altered. And it would be in your best interest for that to happen?
    You: WTF man... I didn't do it.

    Don't expect your freeloader neighbor to step up and take a federal sentence when it comes down to it, and don't put your life in a position where it depends on the justice system to "get it right". Ken Lay, OJ, and lots of others are walking around free men today..
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    1. Re:Open Access Points by DrSkwid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would suggest I have the burden of innocence.

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    2. Re:Open Access Points by Syberghost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would suggest I have the burden of innocence.

      No, you're right, the government has to prove to the satisfaction of a jury that you did it.

      To the satisfaction of 12 people who were too stupid to get out of jury duty. Using their effectively-unlimited resources.

      But, I'm sure your esoteric technical arguments will convince a jury of non-technical people that you're right, in contrast to the government's arguments, which will consist of blown-up pictures of sex with barn animals that were accessed from your internet connection. Eventually.

      There are many fights in life that I am quite confident I could win. I don't go around trying to get into them.

  18. People don't understand yet by CrazyWingman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't open my AP, and here's why: People still don't understand enough about how their computers and the networks that connect them work to be trusted in my environment. Having recently left college, I was around when my fraternity put in wired ethernet and later wireless APs. We told everyone when we put everything in, "We all share this $N k/sec. line. Do not hog bandwidth. Limit your downloads. This network is intended to allow brothers to do schoolwork in-house, rather than haul to campus." I must say that all of my fraternity brothers were pretty level-headed. None of them would have actively screwed over another brother. But, invariably, once a week or more the net would stop dead because one of them had Kazaa up, downloading seven seasons of anime and leaving their uploads unlimited. They weren't trying to be jerks, they just didn't understand how the network worked and how much bandwidth they were using.

    So, I keep my AP closed. If I knew that my neighbors were knowledgeable, I'd open it to them. I open the network to anyone who visits me in my home - where I can click them off if they do something stupid. Unknowns - never on my network.

  19. Considered stealing in Florida by DodgeRules · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article also takes a look at how the prevalent attitude is that tapping in to these connections does not equate to stealing and why still other may disagree.

    Remember the Slashdot article about the man arrested in St Petersburg, Florida for stealing wireless internet access from another man?