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Harvard Offers Sneak Peek Into Their Network

Bob Brown writes "Harvard University doesn't usually talk much about its internal network, but here, the guy overseeing it opens up about the homegrown and commercial tools used to manage the massive system." From the article: "Harvard, as of late, has been exhibiting another telco trait - considering the network as part of the university's critical infrastructure. As such, its construction is considered during the initial planning phases of building renovation, new construction and campus expansion projects. The data networks that are being built today, at Harvard and similar institutions, are being built to host a variety of IP-based traffic. Most every physical-plant control device, whether it be security cameras, chilled water-valve actuators or parking garage card readers, are being designed to work with the IP network"

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  1. Wait .. by karvind · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait till MIT hears about it !! :P

    1. Re:Wait .. by Globby · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh... you mean that trade school down the River... :)

    2. Re:Wait .. by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      MIT was MIT when Harvard was a pup
      And MIT will be MIT when Harvard's time is up
      And if any Harvard son of a bitch thinks he's in our class
      He can pucker up his rosey lips and kiss the beaver's ass

      And should we find a Harvard man within our sacred walls
      We'll take him to the physics lab and amputate his balls
      And if he should cry uncle well I'll tell ya what we'll do
      We'll stuff his ass with broken glass and seal it up with glue

      KFG

  2. Re:Incompetence by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 5, Informative

    What magical internet law dictates having a web server at hostname.com? And what other law dictates hostname.com resolve to an ip address? If anything, they are being pendantic, not sloppy.

  3. Re:WiFi Accounts Disabled by theJML · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because there aren't any legitimate uses of internet access during class time...

    Like maybe browsing the notes to the lecture that the teacher made available and adding notes/annotations
    Pulling down source code from the book you've got because it didn't come with a CD (that costs extra)
    Googling for more info to assist a group project
    Uploading/Downloading your notes from your home server so you can keep them all in one place
    Saving bookmarks and urls that a teacher may point out as a good source for more info
    Using your laptop to run a presentation/group project
    etc...
    I know I was able to get a lot of use out of internet access when I was in the classroom a number of years back. It was Quite invaluable in MANY of my classes. The annoying thing is that we didn't have wireless then so I had to make sure I was by a port, although many of the newer buildings had classrooms where there was a network port and power plug available at every seat (if there weren't already PC's there). How one sided of a universtiy to think that because someone COULD missuse a piece of technology, that everyone will... but then again, it is Harvard. I bet they talk to the RIAA on a regular basis.

    --
    -=JML=-
  4. Re:Why? by denobug · · Score: 5, Informative
    What's the point of being able to control a cold water valve actuator through the internet? Wiring everything into their internet servers just creates a lot more problems when something goes down.

    A cold water valve actuator works very differently from your faucet in your ketchen, both in the mechanics and scale of flows.

    Let me begin by pointing out the facts that most, if not all of the new industrial controls are trying to get on the IP based networking already. It is far cheaper to convert all different wiring and protocols (RS-232, RS-485, serial communication in general and Common and proprietery protocols like Modbus, ControlNet, etc.) and have them run over the TCP/IP network than having dedicated networks on all of those devices across a plant, or in this case, across the campus (and possibly multiple "plants."

    TCP/IP network is scaleble, and second, it can be secured (with proper isolation and expertise). It is also transparent, i.e. multiple typs of physical wiring/connection scheme can be used. Other industrial protocols (yes, there IS a protocol involved in that actuator valve you mentioned, and so does other devices) often are either proprietary or are "narrow-band" type protocol designed to run across a serial cable. Running multiple networks on dedicated medium requires more wiring than single TCP/IP network. It also makes it difficult to do upgrade/equipment change-out in the future. When changing out industrial equipments down the road (we're talking about like 10 years later), technology changes, making it unreasonable to put up a wiring that will need to be changed.

    In addition, there are usually limitations on the physical length of the wiring on the medium. Most protocols not based of TCP/IP model tends to be limited on the length on its own, requiring a repeater if it needs to travel longer distance (we're only talking about more than 250 ft). TCP/IP network, on the oter hand, has switches and routers in place, they act as the repeaters when needed. TCP/IP can also be run on fiber, expanding the distance a lot farther than traditional copper wires. Across the campus control with direct serial cable might work (RS-485, for those who are famaliar with them), but management cost is a lot higher today using pure serial wiring network than new "virtual" network resides on TCP/IP infrastructure. Signals can be re-routed without signigicant physical re-wiring as well.

    Let's also talk a bit about the "why" we need to have the on that actuator valve connected to the network. Modern campus-wide (or plant wide) controls are monitored and done by a centralized control room. They monitor and issue commands to run the equipments to maximize the use of equipments while minize the cost of operation (wages = expansive cost). Actual machine controls(flow control, automatic safety switches) are done by PLC or other embedded devices on site. They are your field operators today! The commands are issues by the central Control Room to those controllers, and they in term control individual devices (pumps, valves, power breakers, you name it). If my descriptions does not convince you how complicated it can be, it is. To have dedicated control networks on those devices, which are not necessarily on the same protocols, especially not at one location, only add cost to the control system. It is better to "out-source" the transmission medium to a more transparant network platform and let the networking people to ensure its constant uptime.

    I'm sure I do not have to mention the use of VOIP, audio/video, survalience (security) on the TCP/IP network. We already beat the subject to death.