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Treo 700w Review

bart_scriv writes "Business Week has a review of Palm's Treo 700w (the first Palm device to run Windows). Aside from network performance, the reviewer was fairly disappointed. From the article: 'The best Windows Mobile device ever, but a cut below Palm's 650."

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  1. Fullpage Advertisents are always fun by Eightyford · · Score: 4, Informative
  2. What's next? by Eightyford · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's next, Intel processors in a Mac?

  3. Supports satellite-tracking attachments? by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is that trendoid-speak for "supports GPS"?

    Clue: with GPS, satellites track YOU!

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    1. Re:Supports satellite-tracking attachments? by Eric+Smith · · Score: 3, Informative
      but the satellite simply responds to your location request.
      No, it doesn't do that either. It just broadcasts. It doesn't have any idea that you (or your receiver) want location information, any more than a DJ at a local radio station knows when you tune in to his show.
  4. Better Together? by jon.wolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From TFA:

    It just may be that the dream of creating an all-in-one device isn't ready to be realized. Or maybe the dream is misplaced. Perhaps people will carry a collection of small, lightweight devices like Treos, T/Xs, and iPods, all of which are optimized for different tasks. We'll grab one from the shelf or the drawer when we leave the house based on what we plan to do that day, just as we would pick our socks or belt.

    I have an iPod, a Palm TX and a bluetooth cellphone and enjoy each device for how well it does its respective task. I had thought about switching to a Treo 650 in an effort to replace the three devices I carry with me daily, but I don't think I'm ready yet. I agree with the authors of this article that there are very good MP3 players, very good organizers, and good phones, and to find them all in the same package is a bit unrealistic (at least, for now).

    When the "holy grail" of mobile devices arrives, I will probably only buy one if it offers me the same high quality experience that my seperate solutions do now.

  5. Windows won't support the sharper image - WHATEVER by Goyuix · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The Treo 700w forces the user to accept some bizarre compromises, though. The 650, designed for a slower-speed wireless network, is much loved for its simplicity, efficiency, and beauty. That model's terrific 320-by-320-pixel screen has been replaced with a lower-resolution version for the 700w, because Windows won't support the sharper image

    OK, I am no WinMo 5.0 fanboy by any means (OK, so I used to catchy shortened form) but the statement that it won't support a higher res because Windows can't is full of CRAP. Not that I expect BW.com to get the facts right, but come on - the last thing we nerds need is one more PHB convinced of something based on bad journalism!

  6. Comment about "web performance" amusing by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I find all of the comments about "web performance" in the article to be highly amusing - the device that the 700w is being compared to, the 650, used the absolutely abysmal Blazer browser.

    Imagine a browser that switches to a "simple" mode for any page over 200k. That's absurd. Imagine a browser that takes 35-40 seconds to render some pages - while locking the device. That's Blazer.

    PIE isn't exactly a great web browser, but it's sure a hell of a lot better than Blazer. And you can also choose Opera, NetFront, or Minimo on Windows Mobile - the alternatives for Palm OS are generally few and far between.

    Also, the 240x240 screen size isn't a limitation of Windows Mobile; there are WM devices with 640x480 and 320x240 screens.

    Having owned the Treo 650, I never understood why everyone loved it so much - my device crashed frequently (always requiring a soft-reset; WM devices sometimes "bog down" but rarely lock), had a crappy USB/power connector (the Palm design is frankly garbage - it relies on the tension of plastic clips to hold the connector together), had a quiet earpiece (though this was fixable with 3rd-party software), and had a number of interesting "quirks" that made it unusable as a video/gaming system (1px white border around the screen - all the time, practically impossible to allocate more than 2-4MB of memory).

    1. Re:Comment about "web performance" amusing by fishybell · · Score: 5, Informative
      Having recently programmed a multi-user wireless sync server using a Treo 650 as a test platform, I have to agree with at least some of your post. Yes, blazer sucks big time. It's slow and renders pages oddly at best. Overall though, the phone works great. I never had it crash (my boss crashes his once or twice a week), but my supervisor's 700w crashes once a day.

      The 650 is probably an 3/5 star phone, but as a pda it's very impressive. Because of the abundance of third party apps, the ease of syncing (works flawlessly with the open, and easy to program for pilot-link), and the openness of the Palm platform (relative to Windows Mobile at least), ensures that I won't ever let anyone else at my company buy a Treo 700 until the "p" version comes out.

      If you need a pda, and a phone, and have to integrate the syncronization with your ERP or CRM applications, Palm or Linux phones are the only way to go. If it crashes, complain to tech support, flash newer firmware, repeat. Much easier than trying to get Microsoft to fix windows.

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  7. indows won't support the sharper image. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    It won't. It'll support lots of resolutions, but apparently 320x320 is not one of them.

  8. 700W?!? by ZipR · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's twice as powerful as my computer's PSU. Is it quiet?

  9. Some clarifications by TimmyDee · · Score: 4, Informative

    While most of your comments are true, you do ignore one glaring detail: Opera is available for the Treo.

    Palm has provided the necessary Java runtime environment free of charge to 650 users (and $5.99 for others). Once downloaded, you can run Opera or Kmaps (an excellent Java app that downloads data from Google Local and even gets the scrolling part down well) or any other Java app compiled for Palm OS. I use both routinely on my Treo 600 and get pretty decent performance out of Opera. With a GPRS connection no less!

    (While I agree that the first generation 650s froze often, those issues have been fixed with firmware updates. This doesn't excuse the initial lock-ups, but it's not a fault of Palm OS necessarily, just as 240x240 is not necessarily a fault of Windows Mobile (although the lack of 320x320 is)).

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  10. 240x240 screen won't support most PocketPC apps. by ad454 · · Score: 5, Informative
    The small 240x240 display prevents the Treo 700w from properly running nearly most PocketPC applications that require a min 240x320 resolution. When the previous Treo 650 (Palm) phone has a 320x320 display, I cannot understand why Treo would downgrade the display on their new phone.

    On my Audiovox PPC-4100 PocketPC phone, I run numerous third party PocketPC applications that won't work properly on the Treo 700w. I can't live without these apps, especially when I travel.
    • Mapopolis (GPS maps of North America & Western Europe with realtime turn-by-turn navigation)
    • WorldMate Pro (instantly download worldwide weather and currency exchange)
    • Pocket Universe (astronomy maps of the sky from any location)
    • Ephemeris (worldwide moon and sun tracker)
    • AventGo (automatically download hundreds of pages of news and other info when you sync to read offline, if only slashdot had an AventGo channel)
    • Japan2Go & China2Go (talking English to Japanese and Chinese phase dictionary)
    • Eval (best scientific calculator for PocketPC
    • Pocket Slides (displays my PowerPoint presentations with full animation on my phone
    • PocketLingo (English dictionary & Thesaurus)
    • vxUtil (excellent network utility with NTP, ping, traceroute, password generator, etc.)
    • PockeTTY (full featured Telnet & SSH client)
    • Adobe Reader (read Adobe Acrobat files)
    • RESCO Picture Viewer (great multi-format image viewer, supports multipage TIFF faxes)
    • X-Lite & Skype (VoIP clients)
    • PPT (a really handy periodic table)
    • Pocket Console & CMD (a DOS shell is very handy)
    • PHM Registry Editor (useful application)
    • SignTrust Desktop (full featured file manager with CMS based encryption, digital signatures, and time-stamping)