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Google Faces Wall Street Revolt
Fred Flange wrote to mention a Times of London article, which explains a minor rebellion against GOOG on Wall Street. The company, which has always refused to offer guidance for its stock, is now being peppered with requests to do just that. From the article: "Sergey Brin and Larry Page, Google's founders and biggest shareholders, made plain in their listing prospectus that the company would reject many of the orthodox methods of doing business with Wall Street and instead adopt a mantra to encourage its employees to do good and not 'evil'. Other Wall Street analysts last night were also preparing reports that agreed with RBC, The Times has learnt. 'The time has come for Google to step into line,' one analyst said. 'It is in the interest of all shareholders, including the company's employees and officers, that the share price achieves some stability.'"
If GOOG was up front with their way of doing business and it's acceptable by SEC and other relevant regulators and the analysts don't like it, then I say the analysts can kiss GOOG's multicolored ass.
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Maybe the analysts should do their own research on the company?
Is Google the only company that does not give out this information? How common is this?
I meta-moderate because I care.
If the analysts can't predict, then the stock price would fluctuate.
This introduces uncertainty, and the last thing that Wallstreet likes is uncertainty. Sometimes, companies have their stock prices going up even after they've lost a major deal simply because the period of uncertainty is over.
So, this makes a lot of sense - Google is causing uncertainty in the price, and that is definitely not good for GOOG's shareholders (or for Wallstreet, for that matter).
"I find your lack of faith disturbing"
What do they get paid for? Regurgitating whatever the company says?
A listed company doesn't have to provide guidance. However, they do have to make all information equally available to all investors.
What Wall Street dislikes is that Google is pointing out how moronic they really are.
Tell 'em to
1) get bent
and
2) do their own work, the lazy bastards.
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Justin.
You're only jealous cos the little penguins are talking to me.
Sometimes it is better not to let these folks get a foot in the door, because otherwise you get a bunch of people second guessing what your intentions are, and advocating positions that are great for them, but not for the long term prospects of the company.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Being obligated to the stockholders is not at all the same thing as being obligated to stock analysts. When Google's prospectus says "We're not going to be providing the forecasts you're used to," you have the choice to become a stockholder, or not. If you choose to buy stock, well, you've been forewarned that your stock doesn't hold much voting power, and that you're not going to get the kind of forecasts you used to, and those are matters between you and Google.
Google has no responsibility that I can see towards providing analysts with all the information they'd like to have.
What do they care about the stock price? These guys have more personal cash than they'll ever need. As far as I can tell, they actually want to change the world.
The mantra to 'maximise shareholder value' has never had a particular timescale defined, as far as I know.
Justin.
You're only jealous cos the little penguins are talking to me.
And if the shareholders also say "do no evil?" I would imagine that a majority of the shareholders understand what they are getting themselves into. If they didn't, then they're buying into the wrong company. It's not as though someone is holding a gun to their head telling them to buy GOOG. That is the idea of the free market, though, right?
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Serious investors should think long term, not what this quarters profit will be. One huge problem with U.S. companies is that their upper management folks are compensated with stock options (or grants) and are often based on current performance. Why make a long term investment when you can cut current costs to make a profit now? Wall Street thinks you're making money and the stock goes up up up and you can cash in.
Google's doing the right thing telling "The Street" to fuck off.
Wall Street is still pissed off that they missed out on the initial public offering by Google going with a "Dutch Auction" where individual investors set the initial price, not a fixed price where insiders who get alloted shares can rake in freebie big payday.
Ya, I'm talking about you Goldman Sachs.
Bottom line is Google shouldn't cater to these "analysts". They all have axes to grind and pandering to them is a waste of time and money. Google should pursue success in many paths and if one of them takes years or decades to pan out, so be it.
Not that Google wasn't pulling a fast one the little guys who did invest in their company. The stock Google sold was "diluted voting rights stock". That's right, the original owners get special super duper voting power over you clowns with 100 shares.
Not.
They are obligated to do precisely and only what their prospectus, corporate charter, and public writings and speech say they will do. They are not obligated to give analysts "guidance" or play any of the other foolish games Wall Street wants them to play.
This talk of stability in stock price is just whining. It's also a key test for Google, who will now show that they are either sellouts or true idealists. While I don't hold the same ideals as they do, and don't think selling out for the kind of money they got is such a bad thing, I find the whole thing interesting as a study in human nature.
sigs, as if you care.
Exactly! The shareholders bought what they bought. They were under no false pretenses, and Google doesn't have to do a damn thing to change their practices. If the shareholders don't like it, I'd like to see them sell. I seriously doubt that many of them will actually want to take losses in the hundreds of thousands range and higher, just to make a point to Google.
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"Obligated to the stockholders" means that the board can't pillage the company to line their own pockets. It doesn't, despite what everyone seems to think, forbid them from taking at least reasonably justifiable long-term stances. They're not obligated to operate on analysts' terms any more than they were obligated to operate on China's terms.
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What bothers me about this is not that Google refuses to provide more earnings guidance, but that the investor are acting like little whiny bitches. Google told Wall Street this is exactly how they would run their company. I have no sympathy for anybody who bought Google stock expecting the company to act like the most other publicly traded company. If they don't like it they can sell the stock. Does everbody allready forget that Google told people not to expect regular earnings guidance BEFORE they went public? I'm not so sure Page and Brin car if the stock deflates all that much. The stock is over valued to begin with. But I guess in the end you can't fault wall street for trying. If they get Google to change they win. However if they don't, and Google holds strong then they just look like fools to me right now.
The shareholders and stock analysts and 10x more fickle with google than any other stock. They have turned google's stock into a big circius. And none of it is google's fault!!!!!!! They've brought it upon themselves. Why? Because they don't understand google as a company. At every announcement google stock either goes up 10% or down 10%. Google's stock has become disconnected from their actual health as a company. When people get burned bad enough google's stock will go through an adjustment period (which we are somewhat seeing now). Eventually, when people get some damn common sense regarding google stock, it will see normal market prices. I laugh when I see "google honeymoon is over". You jackasses created this false honeymoon! The only ones you have to blame are yourselves.
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See, you buy stock in a company hoping that it would not go bust, and that your share's price would increase.
Now, for someone to adequately know whether or not a particular stock is good or bad, they would most certainly need to know what the company has planned, and provide such data. You might argue that a stock-holder knew what s/he was getting into while buying the stock, but not providing enough data defeats the primary purpose that one buys the stock for.
By not providing such information, Google is leaving folks uncertain - now, honestly, if your data was good you'd release it because it would do good to your stock price. If you aren't, I'd be worried about what else is going on, and that is most definitely not a good sign.
Google's prospectus claims that the only reason they do not give quarterly guidance is because it encourages short term thinking - now, the analysts and investors would have no problem with it if Google's annual results were as good as they'd hoped. But it was not, so the analysts are claiming that if they had more information (i.e. the quarterly guidance) then this would not have happened.
Ultimately, the analysts are saying, "By not giving quarterly guidance you are not letting us do our jobs properly." While the long term investors (the kind GOOG wanted in their prospectus) may not need quarterly statements (long term investors can look at annual statements and either dump or buy), however if Google needs to survive in Wall Street, they may need to do both, since not giving quarterly statement introduces a lot of uncertainty.
Ultimately, it depends on how they want to grow. Schmidt has indiciated that they want to be a $100bn company, so for fast growth they may have to disclose such information.
Long term investors are going to be very minimal, and they seldom provide the kind of muscle that Google is looking for.
I feel that this is incorrect -- Google and its board of directors have a responsibility to ensure that the company remains stable and grows at a reasonable rate. By and large, Google is not responsible for ensuring that its share price become "stable" -- that is for the investors on Wall street to decide.
It is not uncommon, incidentally, for companies not to offer quarterly guidance. This is particularly the case with companies and in industries that are cyclical (e.g., perhaps they sell more apples in May to August, but practically none in January to April). Berkshire Hathaway offers only a single, yearly report (no quarterly updates), for, as explained by Warren Buffett (its CEO), quarterly guidance merely serves to satiate the manic-depressive Wall Street than to give meaningful insight into company operations.
I think that the fact that Google has chosen not to offer guidance is a good thing, since it is still growing its core business and may go several months with negative earnings (e.g., it might be expending lots on R&D, buying businesses, or building infrastructure) despite positive growth on a yearly basis.
I heard a segment on NPR this morning about this. Larry Page was saying that Google wants to stay focused on the long term and that releasing these quarterly estimates would be the equivalent of somebody who is trying to lose weight stepping on the scale every half an hour. I think this makes sense. When companies release quarterly data it can encourage business practices that boost short term profits.
nothing
And that is what is wrong with business in this world today.
Nowhere, in your entire comment, is the word customer mentioned once. Companies are now beholden ONLY to stockholders. Analysts game the system quarter to quarter to make sure they GET the short term gains. Companies look to the last and the next three months, no further.
and.....
Customers everywhere scratch their heads and wonder why customer service on nearly every level for nearly every industry is absolutely abysmal. Well look no further, there is no driver anywhere in the corprate world that says they need to care.
We all know that media companies and their obsession with DRM is leading to a dangerous and eventually (in the HDTV realm anyway) huge conflict with their customers. But we can't place all the blame on them, Wall Street has told them in the loudest possible voice they have that no customer matters and all thats important is shareholder value. Its very easy to see then how the media companies (and many other companies) can go from trying to please their customers, to treating their customers like theives or like their subjects and not their true reason for being.
Google has no responsibility that I can see towards providing analysts with all the information they'd like to have.
More to the point, earnings guidance is not even actual information. It is simply a guess. Google certainly has no responsibility to provide that to analysts or anyone else.
Build a man a fire, he's warm for one night. Set him on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Ultimately, the analysts are saying, "By not giving quarterly guidance you are not letting us do our jobs properly."
And Google is saying, "you're not the people who were supposed to buy our stock. Either learn to accept long term profits, or sell now and go away."
While the long term investors (the kind GOOG wanted in their prospectus) may not need quarterly statements (long term investors can look at annual statements and either dump or buy), however if Google needs to survive in Wall Street, they may need to do both, since not giving quarterly statement introduces a lot of uncertainty.
What does Google need to do to "survive Wall Street?" Unlike many companies, Google is highly profitable and has no need for Wall Street's money at this time. The original shareholders have already made their tidy profits, so now Google can sit and wait while the market fumes over their long term strategy. The market will adjust the price of GOOG if they feel it's too high, then they'll get used to the way Google does business and continue their long term holdings.
Wall Street only has power over a company if a company needs their money. For the first time in a very long time, Wall Street is suddenly finding itself powerless. All Google has to do is not blink, and keep the prefferred shareholders happy.
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I admit I don't know much about the stock market, but if you don't like a company's reporting or business practices, don't you have the choice not to invest in them?
It's really simple: as long as Google follows the letter and spirit of the law, then they can manage their company as they see fit under the direction of their board of directors.
Should investors prefer another philosophy they can replace the management team.
If they cannot do that, then they can sell their stock and not be involved with Google any longer.
It's really pretty simple. Analysts have no power within a company other than to make suggestions to management and to offer guidance to investors. They cannot compell Google to do anything whatsoever, so they may as well deflate their chests and get over themselves.
Wall St. doesn't like it, too bad. It's about time someone stood up for long term value in this country and pulled their head out of that quarterly numbers mind fuck that's all to common. I'm glad to see Google taking the lead.
Stay out of that line. Focus on value. The share price is grossly inflated right now anyway. It'll go up, it'll go down. You pays your money and takes your chances.
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Coca-Cola, Gillete, the Washington Post, McDonalds, and Berkshire Hathaway are just some of the companies that do not provide quarterly earnings guidance. In addition the CEO of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce recently called on businesses to end the practice in favor of better communication about long-term issues. The only reason Google seems to be singled out on this issue is because it's Slashdot.
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*beep*, wrong.
That's why you (and many other) people buy stocks.
Some people buy them for philisophical reasons (think ethical funds). They hope their money goes up, but if it turns out they just invested in 'good' companies, they're happy (think charity with potential profits).
Some people buy the shares simply to own a piece of history (many did, I'm sure, in Google's case). This is why Tim Horton's in Canada went partly public (to make money, but because people would want to own shares, whether it earned them money or not).
Some people buy shares to get the dividends on a long-term basis, whether the share price goes up or down.
Don't assume everyone buys shares for the same reaons.
Larry was very clear -- buy Google shares because you want to give us cash to keep doing what we've always done.
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Nonsense. Don't just throw meaningless "don't rock the boat" and "can't fight city hall" and "it was a fun ride, but" statements at Google based on hype and buzz, just because you can't understand how they succeed without conforming. No one ever did anything great by sticking to the "rules" that are propped up by people riding on the coattails of the last person who did something great. Your can't-do attitude is a self-fulfilling prophecy of self-doubt that has killed more dreams in the history of humanity than any real obstacle.
The next-quarter-result mentality comes from the top. It would require Google's management to cave to this Wall Street whining, which, as powerful as the "Wall Street community" thinks it is, doesn't mean squat to them. Larry Page and Sergey Brin own controlling stock in Google, and they're interested in long-term benefits (assuming they don't sell out). The only power the analysts have over them is a measure of influence on the most fickle of Google's investors, and any negativity resulting from that will blow over and balance out in a relatively short period of time. Google's got a good long-term plan, and if they stay the path there's no reason they can't prove you utterly wrong.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
I fully support Google's stance on this issue. Providing guidance is just an invitation to cook the books. What they are asking is to forecast how much money the company is going to make or lose in the next quarter/year. And *then* they are asking the same company to report how close they came to the mark. If the estimate was wrong, the shareholders may have reason to launch a lawsuit.
So what happens? The company does it's best to juggle the numbers so that they match the estimate. This is one of the reasons that accounting practices are as bad as they are -- there is a huge amount of incentive to mislead.
But not only this conflict of interest, what does a company do if they have inside information that will affect their profits in the next quarter? They can't announce the information *and* they can't give accurate numbers (because they can't justify them). So if you are planning a big cash purchase and you know that earnings are going to be low because of it, you are stuck -- you either mislead the analysists or you give them a hint that something big is coming down the pipe. Both are really bad.
But having listened to a number of analyst meetings, I am constantly shocked how clueless these analysts are. They aren't even aware of basic public information that is published in the newspaper. One company I worked for won a large lawsuit (several million dollars) from the federal government a month before the quartly results were released. It was big news in all the papers. At the analyst meeting for the results, the analyst from Merill Lynch asked where the money came from. "The government lawsuit" was the reply. "What government lawsuit?".
All of what you said has ZIP to do with Google. Whether Wall Street likes it or not, they can't do anything about Google's stance.
Shareholders can whine and complain if they want. They're still going to be presented with three options:
1. Sell
2. Don't sell
3. Buy more
(Of course, they could short/put it to offset their losses, but that's beside the point.)
Traditionally, shareholders have weilded a lot of power over a company, because a drop in price significantly inhibits a company's ability to raise capital. The problem here is that Google doesn't need to raise capital. Let me repeat that, Google doesn't need to raise capital. Until a time arrives that they do need to raise capital, Google can continue to ignore the demands of analysts and shareholders alike. (Save for the preferred shareholders, that is, who are directing the company.)
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You either have diminished comprehension abilities, or you are trolling.
Google cannot legally not publish quarterly statements - they are doing it, period. What they are not doing is predicting in advance what these statements will be, which has always been a guess. All the information you are talking about is available in the SEC filings every quarter.
....short term profits mentality. They buy into the casino game, and when the rules are different-just slightly-and they KNEW that in advance-they claim foul?
Nope, it's their loot, they could have decided to go elsewhere in advance. This is sour grapes on steroids from the "greed is good" crowd.. Google was very careful upfront to say what they would or wouldn't do, just because they aren't acting like other corporations with short term profits mentality isn't Google's fault, it's Wallstreet's fault for thinking they would, based entirely on something they dragged out of their lardish butts, because it wasn't based on any actual data. I think it's funny really, because you could see those neurons all scrambling to throw money at google, they got completely coldcocked.
Google said that they actually didn't know what they would be doing in the future, just exploring wild new technology and see what might work and what might not. It is loosely based on advertising sales, and that's it. Google is an *exploring new tech* company. Every single exploration left turn or right turn is not guaranteed to make some investor money. If the investors didn't understand that going in, perhaps they should have taken their money and started their own business and done something useful and productive instead, ie "get a job".
Frankly, the entire idea of investing has just turned into wild ass speculation based on the really quick buck and frantic share turn arounds. They should pass a law requiring a minimum hold period on shares between trades anyway,like one or two years, not a few hours or days or weeks, to discourage short term profits casino mentality. Put the "invest" part back into "investing".
I have zero sympathy for the stockholders and analysts in this case who were looking for the quick easy buck. None. There are plenty of other enron-esque companies out there for them to choose from if that is what they are looking for. It's like the bulk of the stockmarket,so there should be enough there for them to check out. The few companies who DARE to try something quite different in a business model and to perhaps follow at least semi ethical guidelines are *quite rare enough* without the jackals and hyena scavengers braying at them.
>Companies are now beholden ONLY to their owners
I fixed it for you. In case you've forgotten, the stockholders are the owners of the company.
Even if that weren't the case, *you* are not their customer. Your clicks are what they sell to their customers, advertising companies.
Google's position is that it doesn't want people gambling off of their stock. Google has thumbed its nose at the short term speculative market that tries to ride the temporary highs and lows of a stock. Google's position is that it is going to happily give long term forecasts and describe the health of the company, but it isn't going to do it in such a manner that people can speculate form quarter to quarter. They have no intention of setting and meeting quartly goals. They have stated that their goals are not quarterly and so will not be held to quarterly milestones.
In many ways, this is a GOOD thing for the health of a company. As anyone who has been apart of a publicly traded corporation knows, you are tied into the quarterly system. When you can buy supplies, capital equipment, and sell product is entirely based upon the quarterly system. There has been more then one instance where I was prevented from moving forward with a project because they didn't want to spend the money that quarter. They happily let me spend to my hearts content the day after the quarter ended though. That is NOT a healthy attitude for a company to have, but it is the attitude you NEED when your stock price is tied to quarterly reports.
Personally, I think that there is a lot of merit in what Google is trying, especially if it results in a company that is significantly more capable of long term planning. It might not work for some companies, but it might very well work for Google. Cutting themselves free from the quarterly mentality might very well give them the edge set much longer term plans and goal then their competition can.
A week or so ago I posted hereabouts that it seemed like the analysts on Wall Street were intentionally punishing Google because it wasn't playing ball by giving inside information to analysts for their "projections". I thought it funny that so many news items started to crop up denigrating Google and its projects. Everywhere, even on DL.TV, there was widespread Google-bashing, or at least reporting that people were bashing Google. The stock price keeps plummeting. I speculated that analysts were at least refusing to lend a hand to stop the flood of bad news by speaking up about the company's strengths. Not attacks, just refusal to aid. I thought perhaps that they were passive-agressively sending a message to let them in. They are accustomed to the inside information. They need it to make money on the market consistently, something that normal cowpokes trading online don't do, lacking the information that the analysts hold so closely to themselves.
Damned if the attack hasn't gone full-agressive and public. The message is clear: give us the information we want, or we will do our best to ruin Google. This is extortion.
The analysts need to be regulated again. This is completely out of control.
Companies are now beholden ONLY to stockholders.
Not necessarily.
At least one company puts the stockholders LAST in the priority list.
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Without going too math heavy, there is a reason Wall Street hates volatility. While its true that 15 years ago, Wall Street made money from brokerage commissions, the main money maker is now asset management fees, etc... It used to be a fortune to do a trade on the street, now its $19.95 (or $7 with some deep discount brokerages).... that's not where the money is.
If they manage an account and collect 1% as a fee, then the larger that account gets, they better they do. Now they could outperform the market to make extra money, but with only 1%, that's too much work. Market growth is the easiest way to grow.
Also, there are two ways to grow a companies's stock (assuming you believe that earnings matter in the long run), increase the underlying company's earnings (but that's work), or increase the P/E ratio (or FCF, or whatever ratio you like).
The assumption is that the price of the stock today is the NPV of all future cash flows (or dividends, which is theoretically the same but a harder model in the real world)...
So to increase the value of the stock, you can increase future cash flows (work), or decrease the discount factor...
Well, since most models of stock valuation demonstrate that Beta is a decent indicator of the "risk premium" (basically, discount factor = risk free rate (treasury bills) + Beta * (market premium)), so if we want to decrease the discount factor, we can decrease the rate of the treasury bill (out of our control), decrease the market premium, (out of our control), or decrease the Beta.
If Wall Street convinces Google to disclose more which reduces volitility (an interesting assumption, but let's pretend), then Beta goes down, discount factor goes down, and Google's stock price goes up...
With Magic, we've created value, our asset holding fees go up, we get a huge bonus, and most importantly, nobody had to do any ACTUALY work (like increase earnings) to get it done!
Alex
All your comment shows is that you don't know how insider selling works or that you're purposefully trying to stir up a conspiracy.
I suggest you read this article.
http://news.com.com/2102-1030_3-6030223.html
Summary: Their stock sales were planned over a year advance. They actually setup the schedule before Google went public, so that n00btards like you wouldn't be able to say "ZOMG, teh c0nsp1racy!"
AFAIK, just about every corporate officer signs up for a 10b5-1 plan so that they don't have to deal with accusations of insider trading. The funny part, is that the linked article I gave you has some idiot analyst saying the same thing you are.
Allow me to say this again: The stock sale was planned over a year ago. It is an unfortunate coincidence that their stock sale happened at the same time as any bad/good news.
The fact that Google's stock dropped 60 dollars per share in less than 10 seconds is interesting, but the rest of your post is over rated.
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Simply put: when you become a publicly held company you have a responsibility to your shareholders.
And providing manipulative "guidance" in a desparate bid to stabilise stock prices by giving hints isn't one of them, which is why it is not mandatory. Presumably the shareholders had a duty to read the prospectus where it said the company would not issue guidance.
Until upper management learns this, their stock price is going to continue to decline sharply.
Come again? The stock price will change depending on each quarter's results combined with the investor's view on longer term prospects given the company's stated plan and management competence. Without guidance all that happens is that there is a greater divergence of opinion as to what next quarter's results will be.
How exactly is it an "evil" thing to be open and honest with your shareholders rather than asking them to trust in your "master plan?"
This has nothing to do with a master plan, this is all about analysts wanting to avoid looking foolish by using hints from Google on short-term results.
That's like listening to the guy in the back alley who says "trust me, just close your eyes."
Not really, unless the guy in the back alley also produces quarterly figures.
Shareholders are going to become frustrated and begin to unload their shares as they realize that they own hugely inflated stock with no real idea of how the company intends to achieve that valuation on the books and not just in the eyes of stock market prospectors.
I may agree, but guidance or the lack of guidance won't change that.
Ok, we have a major disconnect here.
Companies are under no obligation to provide "guidance" on future earnings or growth of the company. A company is obligied to publish its 10K and 10Q forms as well as other required SEC filings. These documents - for those willing to do the work - provide more than enough to analyze a company and its business.
In fact, the "guidance" you and the analysts are demanding has been the source of untold harm. Remember, it was Enron working to ensure that it hit its earning's guidance and estimates that led to the fruad to keep the numbers on track. It is trying to keep earnings estimates on track that leads many a company to dump staff to "cut costs", rather than accept "lumpy earnings".
It should be noted that there are other companies that refuse to provide guidance. Companies like Berkshire Hathaway (i.e. Warren Buffett's company). What the analysts don't like is that they aren't in control here. That in analyzing Google they might actually have to do some work.
Like many of those at the Motley Fool, I applaud those who refuse to give into the demands of the analysts and give earnings guidance. Of course, this could be a case of trying to "get even" with Google. Remember, they were the folks that selected the "Dutch Auction" for their IPO and had to deal with the investment bankers and analysts who were upset that at market rather than their experts got to set the price for Google shares.
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Jordan
If you don't like how Google is doing business, don't buy Google. Google fully discloses their corp. philospohy in their prospectus. If you are an analyst, you don't matter because despite what you say they are profitable.
Investing in a profitable company? Horrors, we can't have that. Gives all the crap analysts and brokerage houses are pushing a bad reputation! You need to buy the blue sky buzz word of the month pump-and-dump being touted on TV. Not some innovative company with large sales and a good product line!
I wonder. Google has pissed off DOJ and Wallstreet. It isn't the first time the Wallstreet crowd or the Bushites have played dirty.
In addition, there is a tradition in business of demanding conformity. If you stand out in a corporate culture you are either pecked into conformity or eventually fired for trumped up reasons. Very much like high school in some ways.
It will be interesting to see what happens. As long as they are profitable they do not have to change. Can they last long enough to change Wallstreet? Or are they doomed to cave in?
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Google is just following good business practices in refusing to adopt a short-term earnings business slanted model. Since wall street wants to predict and analyze something they have no fundamental clue about, even with guidance they'd make bad predictions, which is bad for everybody. For Google to do things 'the wall street way' would substancially hurt their profitability, and be irresponsible to their shareholders, to whom they actually are responsible. For a business to become so dependant on Wall street capitalization that they change how they do things to suit wall street is likely a death knell or a sign of a long downward slide. People who know nothing about how to run a business should have zero say, especially in terms of short term considerations, which are by definition what WS deals with.
Other companies that run their own business without WS intervention (i.e. no earning guidance): Coca-Cola, Gillette and The Washington Post.
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