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Linus on GPL3 In Forbes

musicon writes "In an interview via e-mail with Forbes, Torvalds discusses GPLv3, digital rights management and sharks with laser beams. From the article: 'I'm sure changes will be made [to GPLv3]. The fact that the FSF and I have some fundamentally different views of what the GPLv2 was all about makes me worry that we won't find a good agreement on the next version.'"

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  1. Couple of things here... by Kaellenn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First off, please forgive my ignorance, but is it really *that* important for Linus to decide to move Linux from the GPLv2 to the GPLv3? Just because version 3 of the license becomes available does not automatically invalidate the version 2 license does it? Why is this such a hot button issue?

    For the most part, I completely agree with Torvalds on his points--and I can't say I'm at all surprised to see Stallman and the FSF take this direction with version 3. Simply put: they are "zealots" for lack of a better term. For them, free software is less about open source and open development and more about a form of political agenda.

    Now I'm not trying to bash Stallman or the FSF, they have made some wonderful contributions to the community. But let's call a spade a spade here and look at what GPLv3 is about: attempting to hide attempts to restrict developers under the guise of being an update to the world's most popular open source license. For all of the FSF's talk against bad copyright policy and software restrictions, this license introduces their own set as if to say, "we don't like their way; so you should definitely do it our way instead."

    Too much politics and agenda and not enough open source development.

    1. Re:Couple of things here... by GigsVT · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Is it even possible to relicense Linux under GPLv3?

      Did Linus get copyright assignments from every contributor? If not, then there's no way it can ever be really GPLv3, not legally.

      Even if the contributors put the "or later" clause, that would still give end users the option for using Version 2.

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  2. Most popular OSS? by woobieman29 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From TFA: "Torvalds' opinion matters because his program is by far the most popular open source program in the world."

    I'm not sure....would maybe Firefox have more overall users? Seems that it's on 80-90% of Linux boxes, plus an ever growing number of Windows machines and other OS's as well.

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  3. GNU/Linux kernel? by amightywind · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if Linus even has the real authority to unilaterly switch to an alternative license. I don't think so. By his own admission he is not a deep thinker about the philosophical (he says polical) part of the job. Many of his colleagues are. Any change would have to be accepted by the core kernel developers. If not a fork is all but inevitable (GNU/Linux anyone?). My guess is he will talk like this from time to time but will be under pressure to maintain the status quo.

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  4. I agree with RMS on patents but disagree on DRM by FlorianMueller · · Score: 4, Interesting
    For a long time it seemed to me that a distinction between Free Software and Open Source was hair-splitting: the key open source programs were Free Software at the same time. Now there are two trends that suggest a distinction may be increasingly necssary:

    • Oracle et al. try to acquire open-source projects by buying up the companies behind them.
    • IBM and like-minded large players try to effectively control open source based on their huge patent portfolios. Companies like Nokia sometimes say it pretty directly that they believe patents enable them to potentially open-source some code while still retaining ownership.

    Looking at those disconcerting trends, I very much support the GPL v3's approach to software patents. But when it comes to DRM, I think the FSF goes too far and addresses an issue for philosophical reasons that isn't worth it. DRM is a lot more legitimate per se than software patents are. Categorically opposing DRM may be perceived as downright anti-commercial by a number of people, and it's a move that I fear will only hurt the FSF and the GPL without changing anything about the fact that DRM is here to stay.

  5. Fallen hero or lone wolf? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You cannot install it on your hardware (laser-equipped shark or otherwise) without also making sure that others can install another version. And that's my gripe.

    Call me a fanatic, but open source isn't worth crap if it can't be redistributed. This is _THE_ principle of open source, that anyone can make AND RUN their own version. There are business-ready licenses out there, but the GPL was made to perpetuate the programmers' and users' freedom.

    I think Linus needs a reality check. Perhaps a few months of working for Microsoft will make him realize his mistakes. There ARE evil people, evil corporations trying to take over the world, just look at the patent business.

    I'm kinda disappointed after reading this, I always had seen Linus as a hero, and thought he was as enthusiastic about open source as many of us were. Sad to see he's just yet another programmer who went corporate, like Steve Jobs. He just happened to cooperate with the open source movement.

    Oh well. We should be thankful he's still cooperating, and consider him an ally rather than a leader.

  6. On the wrong side of the battle by RLiegh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Morally, Linus is on the wrong side of the DRM battle, since he supports it (and is willing to be used as a PR pawn by Forbes), however Pragmatically, he's on the right side of the battle, since DRM is ineveitable and perhaps by doing their bidding, the robber barons^W^W business world will allow him to continue living^w coding.

    Stallman may be right morally, but so was John The Baptist; and look at what happened to him.

  7. Re:Sweet! Zealot B.S. for the 7,000th time by jimicus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the case of the first, there's no point in TiVo releasing code complete with any modifications. You can't use it anyway.

    There's been a similar thread discussing companies working around the GPL recently on my local LUG mailing list. In this case, discussion concerns a piece of hardware which uses GPL'd code but requires a hacked GCC to compile.

    The theory is:

    "The code says:

    int do_something(void) {
    #DO_SOMETHING
    }

    The compiler is hacked to insert the real code when it sees #DO_SOMETHING. The company which distributes the compiled source code doesn't distribute a compiler, so is not obliged to release the source code for the compiler itself, thus providing an end-run around the GPL."

    How true this is, I don't know. It's speculation. Please don't mod me up just because you think this makes sense!

    Essentially, GPLv3 adds a "Don't take the piss" clause. AIUI, the problem is putting this in legal parlance.