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Digital Cinema Not Quite There Yet

An anonymous reader writes "A Reuters article explains how, in some ways, the digital future of movie theatres isn't quite here yet. Despite the push for new technology in the projection booth, theaters have been slow to adopt the new and expensive gear." From the article: " Many in the movie industry hope digital cinema will help revive theater attendance, which fell 9 percent in 2005 in the United States. The studios stand to save about $1 billion a year in print distribution costs because they will be shipping digital movies via computer hard drives, satellite and broadband cable, versus old celluloid canisters. But digital deployment is expensive at about $100,000 per screen, and while the studios agreed to foot most of the bill, current equipment does not meet all the technology standards set by the industry."

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  1. cost by _Shorty-dammit · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm not sure why the movie industry doesn't get that one of the reasons (besides movie/story quality) that attendance is going down is because tickets cost too much, and snacks cost way too much. Price everything reasonably, and you'll get more volume. I don't need 17.3 gallons of Coca-Cola for ONLY $25!!! I want a reasonable serving that you don't gouge me for. And the same goes for everything else you're selling. Why do you think so many people cruise right on by the snack bar and straight into the theater? And why so many more don't even bother showing up at all?

    1. Re:cost by thparker · · Score: 4, Informative
      Price everything reasonably, and you'll get more volume.

      Unfortunately, that's easier said than done. You have to understand the economics of film distribution to understand the terrible position movie theaters are in.

      In a major studio release, the split for the first week of release is normally 90/10. The studio gets 90% of the receipts taken in by the theater. The split slowly moves in favor of the theater in subsequent weeks. So you go to a first run movie, pay $10 and sit in a room with 40 other people -- the theater is going to make a whopping $40 for that entire showing from ticket sales.

      The allocation process doesn't encourage theaters to try for a bigger cut, either. The studios decide how many theaters they'll release a film in for a given market, then the films are allocated to the theaters by bidding. The theaters bid on the split and the number of weeks they promise to run the movie.

      The only way digital distribution is going to have any impact on overall prices at the theater will be if the distribution agreements themselves also change. How likely do you think that is? Personally, I expect the studios to take the money and run.

  2. Norway will switch by 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Trondheim already has the world's first Sony 4K SXRD projector installed in a commercial cinema
    http://www.ntnu.no/midgard/Nordic.html

  3. Re:Problems by wisebabo · · Score: 5, Informative

    the oft quoted 3000-4000 pixel count is done under perfect conditions using a pristine negative with a million dollar telecine. In the theater you are usually watching a fourth generation print that has accumulated dust and scratches. Audience testing showed that even the first generation of digital projectors (1280x1024 using an anamorphic projector lens) was preferable to the ordinary release print. In addition the digital projectors are designed to be as close to the "analog" ones as possible. They typically work with a digital "head" bolted onto a standard projector light housing. Power supplies and audio connections (from the server) remain the same.

    Now the current generation of projectors are 2048x1080. Soon they will go to 4K. It is telling that IMAX known for its ultra large format films (70mm 15perf) is actively considering digital, in no small part due to the extremely high print costs $20K-$40K. If they consider digital good enough, that's saying something.

  4. A 90-10 Split? by Swift2001 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wow, no wonder you have to take out a mortgage on the popcorn. Back, er, in my day, it was 60/40 for the movie theater, or maybe 50/50 for a "sure hit." Of course, a spectacle or event movie didn't cost $200 million or more, and there wasn't a $50 million ad campaign to get you to see it. You looked in the paper, see, and read the reviews or talked to Cousin Artie, and he said it was good, so that was fine. It's way beyond inflation. In the '50s, I was seeing Saturday kids' matinees at the FOX in New Orleans -- which is now a tangled mess, I guess -- for 15 cents. During the week, it was 50 cents or so. Now, I think, if it were regular inflation here -- like a loaf of bread -- the price would now be about $4.00. Come to think of it, I think the movies would be better if they had to make them with that admission price in mind.

  5. DCinema facts from an insider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are a number of reasons that D-Cinema has not taken off.

    1. The format has just been ratified and in some ways is still incomplete. It is a SMPTE spec (DC-28).

    2. The equipment needed to playback DC-28 doesn't exist in cheap enough quantities yet. This is essentially the chips to decode (encode would be nice as well but it can be done in software). The decoding of J2K is quite cpu intensive and the algorithms don't optimize well in todays CPUs so the decoder chips are a requirement.

    3. Its an expense for everyone involved. The projectors are around $75K today, the encoding systems represent multi-million dollar changes to the workflow of the studios (depending on commitment).

    4. The only person that is going to make money is the distributor. The distributors all have financing secured, the ones we have talked to for the past 5 years have 3-4 hundred million secured so that they can essentially subsidize a large portion of the rollout but at 10,000 primary screens this only goes so far when you consider projector costs.

    5. The theater owners are unconvinced that switching to DCinema is going to gain them anything, in fact the only advantage it gives them is the ability to dynamically change the number of screens that they are using for a given movie at any point in time. The ability to instantly add another showing without ordering another print is a bonus but its not a big enough one.

    6. The traditional equipment providers have been fighting this tooth and nail. Somewhat out of ignorance and protectionism but mostly because their technology involves gears and reels not bits and bites. They simply don't understand the technology or to be more fair they didn't in the beginning.

    7. There was a lot of division in the format wars, the MPEG 2 guys wanted their version, there were some stand alone wavelet formats, there were some oddball variants of jpeg. All of which had some success which has ultimately delayed the rollout *somewhat* just do to the FUD it has caused.

    8. the content owners are worried about digital copies of their films flying around the great cloud of the internet of course and about them being stored on hard disks but most of those issues have been somewhat addressed and we are now just waiting for them to sort of catch up with the reality of technology today.

    9. There are a bunch of little things like the single longest lead time item for a D-Cinema system is the lens for the projector. The wait time can be as long as two years.

    10. The accepted cost for the DCinema system is around $7K per unit (not counting the projector) which is rediculous as it does not leave much room for cost for storage, the decoder board, the network, backup systems, etc, etc, etc.. just an enterprise class server alone is going to suck up $4K of that cost, its a bit rediculous.

    In response to some of the other topics mentioned.

    DRM/Security: The DRM is simply normal encryption systems, since the playback system is entirely hardware the playback board has the keys. It will be quite hard to hack. This is not a case of DVD CSS encryption, the system will be much harder to get into. Also the move now is to put real-time watermarking into the film at playback.

    Quality: The typical film you see in a theater is around 4th to 6th generation prints. This means you could be down as low as 1000 lines of resolution. DCinema kicks ass in quality. Even when you butterfly the content side by side with a 6K telecine from a pristing master print of the film the dcinema quality stands up quite well (90% of the test audience cannot tell the difference). I would also say that the main reason that some people can tell the difference is that the dcinema version is much more stable (not gate weave) so it is not moving all over on the screen. Even the golden eyes in hollywood agree that it is a better image. Keep in mind that all of the dcinema systems out there today are based on older technology and cannot compare with a DCI spec system.

    1. Re:DCinema facts from an insider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I should add one comment about projectors/quality.

      You cannot compare the Dcinema projector systems with what you have at home, a dcinema projector puts out 10K lumens or better, not the marketing lumens that come with home projectors but an honest 10K lumens of light at 2-3000:1 contrast that comes without resorting to tricks like dynamic iris (a total BS party trick). A true DCinema spec projector is also a 4K resolution beast. Thats 4 times the resolution of a 1080 projector.

      DLP is not a cinema experience technology, even the best DLP systems have to use all kinds of tricks (wobbulation anyone) to get to higher resolutions and a significant portion of the population actually sees this as artifacts. Nobody is going to spend $75K on a projector that is going to cause the viewers to get up and walk out because they have a headache. I happen to be one of those people that is very sensitive to the types of artifacts that DLP introduces and I can see the artifacts on 1080 DLP single and even three chip systems. The consensus at one of the last shootouts in Hollywood (DCI meeting) was that DLP is not only a non-starter because of the technological limitations, it also seems that Ti has stated that it cannot create a DLP chip with enough resolution. LCoS and maybe LCD will be the only technologies suitable for DCinema.

      A final differentiator between home cinema and Dcinema is just pure fidelity of image. With Dcinema you are looking at a 12 bit image with at least 250Mb of bandwidth. With DVD/Bluray you are looking at systems which are incorporating 50:1 compression, this results in artifacts, yes those artifacts are below the level of perception of most people but only in comparison to the real thing. If most people are shown both the uncompressed and compressed versions of a clip they will pick the uncompressed (or lightly compressed) version every time. Wavelets (j2K) goes a long ways towards disquising these artifacts when compared to DCT based compression (xPEG) but the real advantage in Dcinema is with the near lack of compression. DCinema is only compressed at around 5:1 and it has none of the motion artifacts of a intraframe based compression system (motion estimated). The image simply looks much more coherent. Personally I don't think this is enough to get most people to flock to theaters. The bottom line is that most of the population will be quite happy to watch the bluray version of the film and for hollywood there is a definete sensitivity to this. I think that if the industry (everything from content owners to set top box manufacturers) could get together on this direct to home first run distribution could be a reality. (making the whole dcinema / bluray-hddvd discussions pointless)

  6. Re:Movie Attendance by drsquare · · Score: 2, Informative

    My guess is that releasing movies that don't suck would increase movie attendance.

    There have been some good films released over the last year, the same as any other year. There have been crap films released since the history of films. Your theory is therefore flawed.

  7. minor point from the torture Nazi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Are you implying that Ozzie and Harriet had carnal knowledge of each other? I am devastated.

    In general, a very well constructed post, but I would pick a nit on this:

    " traitors are drawn and quartered after having their entrails burned in front of their eyes"

    The "drawn" part of "drawn and quartered" refers to the removal of the victim's entrails. If the entrails were burned before removal, the victim would be unlikely to survive till the quartering.

    So the correct chronology would be:
    1> remove entrails (drawing them out rather than just hacking them out - to minimze trauma)
    2> burn said entrails (now out of abdomen, but still attached to the victim) before
    3> rip victim apart (quartering)generally by tying each limb to a horse pointed towards one of the cardinal points of the compass, then setting the horses to gallop.

  8. Re:Hollywood Doesn't Care About Attendance by aywwts4 · · Score: 2, Informative

    So Shrek 2, best movie of 2004? Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace, sweeps the awards for `99, Jar Jar for best male in a supporting role?

    While we are at it, spider man deserves some awards, lets say best actor, we can give it to him again for his sequel.

    Then finaly, best actor of 2004? Jesus Crist, as Himself, in the Passion of the Christ.

    Please, look at this for the caliber of movies you would be awarding for excellence. http://www.filmsite.org/boxoffice.html I didnt go past the top ten. but look down, Meet the Fockers, Home Alone, Beverly Hills Cop, and How the Grinch Stole Xmas would all atleast be nominated, Top box office are really a who's who of crappy movies we should probably be ashamed of (With notable exceptions)

    Box office success says Nothing about how good a movie is, nothing about how good of acting it had, and nothing about how good the story, is, box office success is having a movie start from the begining trying to hone in on a target audience and run a targeted non stop marketing blitz in the months between October and Thanksgiving. Can great movies top the box office, Of course, Can a great movie be something you have never heard of, Definately, maybe you should check them out now that you have.

    Finaly, incase you really are that dense, let me shout at you...
    JURRASIC PARK AND MRS DOUBTFIRE ARE IN NO WAY AS CULTURALY SIGNIFICANT AS SCHINDLER'S LIST!!!

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  9. Korean War? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    >But it was a quiet time of a combination of prosperity and peace between the WW/II and the Vietnam era.

    I guess it really was the forgotten war.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_war

  10. its US30K quoted from IMAX direct by cheekyboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was quoted directly by an IMAX rep that it costs $40k AUD, per print, because of that they could not get
    all the movies they'de like into aust. If it was $1k on a harddrive they yeah, they could show anything 24/7.

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