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Linux, to be (Like Microsoft) or Not to be?

David writes "Stephen Shipman delivers a very articulate and concise view of how Linux fits in server and end user environments. He expresses his view in response to Nicolas Petreley's 'rant' in Linux Journal. He points out the subtle implications of efficiency versus consistency." From the article: "[...] efficiency (as measured by keystrokes) isn't the only metric for ease of use. Consistency must also be taken into account. Microsoft has made a lot of hay (and green) by flogging consistency".

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  1. FOSS Means Business, in Belfast, March 16th by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's a conference this Thursday, March 16th in Belfast called FOSS Means Business where Stallman and Perens are both doing business-orientated lectures, plus presentations by Google, Open Source Academy, and Oracle.

    People trying to encourage IT decision makers to transition to free software have to learn to explain it. Bruce Perens is good at this, but as well as telling people about the value of free software, we have to tell them how to hang on to it - how to not let it slip through their fingers. That's Stallman's angle, as can be read in this transcript of his lecture on GPLv3.

    Microsoft isn't top because of their software quality, and free software won't displace them purely based on quality either. We'll win for other reasons.

  2. Re:Petreley makes good points by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 5, Informative

    The pop-up key stealing bit happens on Linux too. Ever kick a app off and while waiting switch to the browser and then the one you launched first thrusts itself into view? Happens to me on Linux too.

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  3. They may have "flogged" consistency, but... by Svartalf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Considering that there's really not been any real consistency throughout MS' product offerings or
    anything else about Windows' operating environment:

    - Printing that doesn't work the same from Windows 95/98/Me to NT/2000/XP because of different
    driver rules at the GDI layer.

    - API's that change from one ruleset to the next without warning (the move from 16-bit to 32-bit
    generated at least several API calls that produced nasty results because they used zero as the
    default but in the 32-bit version they used a string for that parameter and they didn't account
    for this in the API...)

    - Consumer WinCE devices being allowed out the door with missing functionalities (i.e. The Uniden
    UniPro 100 PDA was missing the Finder and a few other things- for no good reasons other than they
    were short on firmware memory because of the added recording functionalities- and instead of
    increasing the BOM costs slightly for more ROM capacity, they opted to omit some of the functionalities
    that make it consistent with the other WinCE devices.)

    - Apps don't have any consistent install/uninstall interface. (While Linux IS better in this regard,
    it's got many of the same problems...).

    - Apps often install their own DLLs to prevent being hosed by other apps and Microsoft when they do
    updates.

    There's tons more. "Windows" only seems consistent because the end-user community sees something that
    "works like Windows" and is therefore familiar- since it's familiar, they whitewash over all the
    issues about consistency and it "being easier to use". Issues that plague them day in, day out.

    Microsoft may talk the talk, but when the rubber meets the pavement, they're not walking the walk- not even close.

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  4. What's a "single user" problem? by argent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No matter how they pass XP off as a multi-user environment, it carriest considerable baggage of being single user - case in point: the pop-up key-stealer, when apps suddenly thrust themselves forward and steal a keystroke for the [ignore] [retry] [cancel] [OK] whatever prompt and vanish if it meets the input expectation.

    Of all the things you could propose as a reason for considering it "single user", that's the oddest. It's hateful and frustrating, and more prevalent in MS WIndows than X11 or Mac OS, but it's more prevalent in X11 than Mac OS, and more prevalent in Mac OS than 8 1/2.

    You could have pointed to the single-application-instance shared with Mac OS (which Firefox has imported to X11). Whether it's services, desktop applications, or just logged in users, it takes a huge effort to have two instances of ANYTHING running in Windows.

    Their virtual terminal and user switching required years of development work from Citrix, Xerox, Metaframe, and other companies to figure out what parts of the user environment should be shared, what should be duplicated, and what should be switched from instance to instance... and you still can't have two login sessions under the same user id.

    For applications that run as services there's been even less work done to get around the problems... so it's actually more cost effective to build "blade" servers or run multiple copies of the OS in virtual machines than to run multiple webservers or other applications in the same instance of Windows.

    I mean, I had a 486/50... this is a machine that wasn't powerful enough to run one instance of even NT 3.51... and I was running multiple webservers on different addresses under the same kernel. This kind of thing is routine and easy in UNIX, because it was designed for multiple users (and thus multiple instances of every possible resource) from the very start.

  5. Re:Petreley makes good points by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Just one comment, how can you say Origami is a total flop - AFAIK there's no units out there to buy yet at all. Just some hype on engadget etc, then some disappointment when it wasn't what they thought it was...then some interest when they saw the new interface.

    It was years ago that I bought into every shiny new wizzy tech that came along. It took years to wear away my blind otimism that new==better. After spending a good amount of my own money and many long hours fighting with things to make them do what I needed experience etched it's way into my assessment of new, wizzy tech. I don't mean to come across as cocky or smug, but I think I've got to the point where I can take a look at something and determine if it's going to be useful and easy to use, or another exasperating time fighting with it to do what I need, not what the designers thought i should have.

    One of the reasons I like being a programmer is writing my own tools. There are tools which will kinda-sorta do the things I need, but often more or less and not quite what I had in mind.

    I look at Origami and see effectively a big Palm Pilot or smaller version of a Tablet Computer. It will no doubt be popular with anyone a laptop, tablet or Palm/PocketPC doesn't quite work for. On the last few flights I've been on and the last few conferences I've attended I have seen zero Tablets and few, if any, PDA size tools. Everyone hauls around a laptop. I think that's a pretty clear indicator of what the general population is drawn to. Origami is simply Microsofts misguided way of telling people, We know what you really need, despite many tools like this over the years which have vanished. Maybe UPS and FedEx will adopt them, but what they use looks like it could be run over by a truck and still function.

    I don't think it's healthy to pattern user functionality on the designs of a company which is trying to expand into everyone elses market, instead of cleaning up their own back yard.

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  6. Re:Microsoft by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Linux is not hard for beginners to use.

    I've installed Linux Desktop on laptops belonging to people that doesn't even know what an operating system is - and they got on well.

    Now if you wanted to say Linux is hard to administer.

    They yes, you are completely right.

    If we get pre-built desktop system with Linux installed with all the compatible peripherals .. then I am of the feeling Linux is actually easier and less intrusive.

    When you get a machine optimized for Windows, non-compliant BIOS, Linux-unfriendly video-card, broadcom wireless chipset, some Lexmark printer, some Canon Scanner .. some USB broadband modem, then you may find the prospect of installing Linux and trying to get everything as functional - as enjoyable as cutting your own eye-lids.

    Not being a propagandist at all -- but one thing I find curious about non-tech users after they been exposed to Linux (for a while) .. is that they actually miss it once it's gone.

    The Linux system obviously would have to be set in a very friendly way for that to happen - which is what I do to other people's dying PC when I am bored :)

  7. Re:Petreley makes good points by tpgp · · Score: 5, Informative

    XP is six years old...

    No. XP is 4 1/2 years old.

    XP SP2 is a year and half old. And I still can't do lots of things (like full use of a USB thumb drive) using a non-priviliged account (not to mention that the default install on my Microsoft-partnered laptop came with the user accounts having full admin priviliges)

    Your 'Vista will fix it' argument is quite frankly, the same thing I've heard about XP SP2, Win2k, NT4, & NT 3.5. It wasn't true for those operating systems and I doubt it will be true for vista.

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